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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Ok... so you are going to take this route. lol

    just for the record all I want to know is, do you stand with this comment...

    Slavery had nothing to do with racism. -- apdst

    Yes or no?
    It's rather pointless to respond if you don't read the post. The point of slavery, in America or elsewhere, is to get free labor. Here's a link that may better explain it.

    Slavery is not about race, it is about controlling another human being. https://www.freetheslaves.net/page.aspx?pid=301

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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Well, that's how the historically challenged see it, anyways.

    The Irish Slave Trade
    You know that was bigotry too right? The Irish that came early HATED the Irish that came later and drew distinctive lines between them and these new Irish. Some were along religious lines and the like but it boils down to hating the impoverished. So it was more classism than racism in that case but bigotry nontheless. With the African slaves the bigotry was much easier to create and believe. Because they looked nothing like themselves.

    Not to mention that the Irish were less like slaves and treated in some cases worse than slaves in that a slave had a monetary value to his owner. While the life of an Irish indentured servant did not. So these Irish immigrants were often hired to do the more dangerous work that a slave owner didn't want to risk losing a slave over in an eventual accident.

    The article you linked to said right at the top what I've already said, you dehumanize a group of people so that you can use that difference between you and them to justify treating them poorly. So thanks for backing up my argument no matter how inadvertent it was.
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Well, that's how the historically challenged see it, anyways.

    The Irish Slave Trade
    Yes, they were among the 'indentured servants' of the day, and were little different from any other slaves.

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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's rather pointless to respond if you don't read the post. The point of slavery, in America or elsewhere, is to get free labor. Here's a link that may better explain it.

    Slavery is not about race, it is about controlling another human being. https://www.freetheslaves.net/page.aspx?pid=301
    It's rather pointless to respond if you don't read my posts. I said slavery is about economics and implemented with racism. And being that we were talking about US slavery of course that is what I was referring to.
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, they were among the 'indentured servants' of the day, and were little different from any other slaves.
    Indentured servants are not slaves. You own a slave. You hire an indentured servant. An indentured servant can be a citizen and is considered another human being. Slaves generally are not and are considered property.
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    You know that was bigotry too right? The Irish that came early HATED the Irish that came later and drew distinctive lines between them and these new Irish. Some were along religious lines and the like but it boils down to hating the impoverished. So it was more classism than racism in that case but bigotry nontheless. With the African slaves the bigotry was much easier to create and believe. Because they looked nothing like themselves.

    Not to mention that the Irish were less like slaves and treated in some cases worse than slaves in that a slave had a monetary value to his owner. While the life of an Irish indentured servant did not. So these Irish immigrants were often hired to do the more dangerous work that a slave owner didn't want to risk losing a slave over in an eventual accident.

    The article you linked to said right at the top what I've already said, you dehumanize a group of people so that you can use that difference between you and them to justify treating them poorly. So thanks for backing up my argument no matter how inadvertent it was.
    SO, it's racism except where it's not.

    Whatever keeps your propaganda going, dude.
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    SO, it's racism except where it's not.

    Whatever keeps your propaganda going, dude.
    I'd have done better to have said bigotry. but we were specifically referring to the US slave trade and not every slave trade that happened all over the world. Nice try though.

    I mean if you agree with my sig I'd be more than happy to put your name in there with apdst in agreement if you like?

    Just wondering why you are acting all butthurt about all this. I think I've been rather civil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I'd have done better to have said bigotry. but we were specifically referring to the US slave trade and not every slave trade that happened all over the world. Nice try though.
    The Irish slave trade applied to North America...specifically Virginia. Nice try at evasion.

    I mean if you agree with my sig I'd be more than happy to put your name in there with apdst in agreement if you like?
    You can if you like. Slavery is about power....because they could.

    Just wondering why you are acting all butthurt about all this. I think I've been rather civil.
    I'm not butthurt, I dislike revisionism. And you are a revisionist.
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The Irish slave trade applied to North America...specifically Virginia. Nice try at evasion.
    Indentured servants are not slaves. Nice try to you sir.

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    You can if you like. Slavery is about power....because they could.
    No, slavery was about economics of free labor.

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    I'm not butthurt, I dislike revisionism. And you are a revisionist.
    Apparently you dislike knowledge and call what you don't want to hear "revisionism."
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Indentured servants are not slaves. Nice try to you sir.
    Indentured servants are slaves, regardless, the original irish slaves were slaves....not indentured servants. In the beginning, no-one bothered with the subterfuge.

    No, slavery was about economics of free labor.
    Taken advantage of by those powerful enough to.

    Apparently you dislike knowledge and call what you don't want to hear "revisionism."
    No, I dislike those that filter history through their own bias.
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