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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

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    I have dealt with racism from both groups. The racism I've dealt with from White right-leaning people tends to be more overt, or "in your face", as you put it. The racism I've dealt with from White left-leaning people tends to be based more in the assumptions that underlie their descriptions of themselves and other racial groups. They may be more inclusive and more respectful of the rights and identities other people, but I've still seen many of them mock and denigrate non-white cultures and language.
    Oh don't get me wrong, I know that there is racism on the left as well. One would be stupid to not believe so. I grew up in Los Angeles and now live in Dallas. There is a total contrast on how different backgrounds groove with each other. I felt more comfortable being black around the white in Los Angeles than I did around the whites in Dallas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    Oh don't get me wrong, I know that there is racism on the left as well. One would be stupid to not believe so. I grew up in Los Angeles and now live in Dallas. There is a total contrast on how different backgrounds groove with each other. I felt more comfortable being black around the white in Los Angeles than I did around the whites in Dallas.
    I got you. I have the same experience.

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    So the AG says McCotter personally took part in the fraud, as you wrote? I'm sorry, perhaps I missed that.
    Yes you did. Go back and read the accounts again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Yes you did. Go back and read the accounts again.
    So being asleep at the wheel, and signing documents from an out of control staff without realizing they contained fraudulently obtained signatures, is no different than if he went out on his own and did everything himself.

    Interesting take on reality.

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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    First, we alredy screen for voter fraud. I have been screened every singletime I have voted over the last 44 years. We already do that.
    The funny thing about this is you want to argue that the system you go through is somehow better than a photo ID because you have state officials comparing signatures at the polling place. ZOMG!! Disenfranchising those who can't write!! And what are the qualifications of the signature screener? Are they a handwriting expert? Do you think they are more qualified to compared signatures of faces?

    Or, put it this way, in 10 years lets say that you can't get out of the house anymore to cast a vote, and someone takes your signed voting card to the polling place and votes for Ted Cruz....

    I also find it funny that your insistence that the system you have voted in for 44 years is perfectly fine due to the "due diligence" of a state officials involved while simultaneously screaming about perceived voting fraud perpetrated by... state officials.

    Second, the question is NOT and HAS NEVER BEEN if there is a case of voter fraud in the hundreds of millions votes cast in this nation every election cycle. So please flush that canard where it belongs.
    So you just don't want anyone looking for it is all... got it!

    The question is clear and simple: is the level of voter election fraud enough to warrant a change via voter ID balanced against the risks of the voter ID Program and the announced intention of partisans to use it for their own nefarious political manipulations?
    Well, no, that is your twisted account of the purpose of voter ID laws. By the way, what kind of ID do you propose would be cheaper than a government photo ID?

    That is the question.
    No, it's not.

    So get rid of your nonsense as it has no place in this discussion.
    As long as your nonsense persists in this thread I feel compelled to contribute, sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The funny thing about this is you want to argue that the system you go through is somehow better than a photo ID because you have state officials comparing signatures at the polling place.
    The system works. YOu may not like it because you want a new system to manipulate like Mike Turzai wants to manipulate to the gain of your own party - but it works just the same. Like they used to say in the old MArvel comics ... "nuff said".

    Disenfranchising those who can't write!!
    If you are concerned about that issue, I suggest you look up the provisions that states make for such cases now in place so people are not disenfranchised.




    And what are the qualifications of the signature screener? Are they a handwriting expert? Do you think they are more qualified to compared signatures of faces?
    You should look at the training given to these people for your answer.



    I also find it funny that your insistence that the system you have voted in for 44 years is perfectly fine due to the "due diligence" of a state officials involved while simultaneously screaming about perceived voting fraud perpetrated by... state officials.
    The officials at the polls and at the local clerks office WERE NOT the ones who failed to catch the McCotter fraud. So you are comparing apples to cinder blocks.

    I stated this

    The question is clear and simple: is the level of voter election fraud enough to warrant a change via voter ID balanced against the risks of the voter ID Program and the announced intention of partisans to use it for their own nefarious political manipulations?

    your response

    Well, no, that is your twisted account of the purpose of voter ID laws
    No - that comes from Mike Turzai - powerful Republican leader in Pennsylvania.
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    So being asleep at the wheel, and signing documents from an out of control staff without realizing they contained fraudulently obtained signatures, is no different than if he went out on his own and did everything himself.

    Interesting take on reality.

    It is part of his job to make sure none of those things happen. He is responsible for that.

    that is reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It is part of his job to make sure none of those things happen. He is responsible for that.

    that is reality.
    Yes it is part of his job. He is guilty of trusting the actions of his staff, and it would seem he paid the price. You can turn that into being the same as if he did everything on his own without any help, but that's not reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Yes it is part of his job. He is guilty of trusting the actions of his staff, and it would seem he paid the price. You can turn that into being the same as if he did everything on his own without any help, but that's not reality.
    It makes him responsible.
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The system works. YOu may not like it because you want a new system to manipulate like Mike Turzai wants to manipulate to the gain of your own party - but it works just the same. Like they used to say in the old MArvel comics ... "nuff said".
    You say the system works but advocate not actually policing it.

    And you have had the Turzai statement explained enough times that I see no reason trying any further. Suffice it to say, the motivations behind your opposition to photo ID laws are no different than those of Turzai.

    If you are concerned about that issue, I suggest you look up the provisions that states make for such cases now in place so people are not disenfranchised.
    And I would suggest you do the same with Photo ID laws.

    You should look at the training given to these people for your answer.
    Yeah, I figured. You have endless trust in the qualifications of government officials... except you don't.

    The officials at the polls and at the local clerks office WERE NOT the ones who failed to catch the McCotter fraud. So you are comparing apples to cinder blocks.
    You keep bringing up McCotter in this thread which is strange because McCotter was not committing voter fraud, and I never brought up McCotter.



    I stated this

    The question is clear and simple: is the level of voter election fraud enough to warrant a change via voter ID balanced against the risks of the voter ID Program and the announced intention of partisans to use it for their own nefarious political manipulations?
    Yes, I know what you said. It doesn't make it any more legitimate. As I said, this has been explained to you numerous times in this thread. You have inserted the nefarious voter fraud between the lines of what was actually said.

    No - that comes from Mike Turzai - powerful Republican leader in Pennsylvania.
    Who believes that voter fraud aids the Democrats in the state of Pennsylvania.
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