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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

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    and I didn't say I agree with him. But there is a difference between agreeing with him and assigning some nefarious motive to his comment. Were it not for your koolaid, which you clearly drink regularly, you'd be a bit more objective yourself.
    His nefarious motive was clear in his comment. He intends to use voter ID as a way to win elections for his party.
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What facts are you disputing?

    Do you dispute the fact that McCotter was fraudulently placed on the ballot for at least three election cycles?
    Do you dispute the fact that McCotter should have have been in Congress representing that Michigan district?
    Do you dispute the fact that fraud and criminality were used to put him on the ballot?
    Do you dispute the fact that over 700,000 people in Michigan were cheated out of a legitimate representative for the better part of three terms?

    Are you disputing these facts because none of them involve my opinion.
    LOL

    So you have nothing that specifically implicates McCotter himself, as your earlier statements did?

    Do you dispute the fact that members of McCotter's staff, and not McCotter himself, were the ones who pleaded no contest to the petition scam?

    I get you hate the man, wrong ideology, so claiming McCotter personally did all these things floats your boat. The facts appear to be that his staff committed fraud, and in the end McCotter resigned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    LOL

    So you have nothing that specifically implicates McCotter himself, as your earlier statements did?
    http://www.freep.com/article/2012081...late=artiPhone

    Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette feels a bit differently than you do. He lays the blame for the fraud direct at McCotter.

    Schuette -- like McCotter, a former Republican congressman -- said McCotter was "asleep at the switch," providing no direction to his district office staff in Livonia as they scrambled a day before the May 15 filing deadline for Congress to assemble petitions with the names of 1,800 voters in the district. The Secretary of State found that just 244 were valid.

    "They were more than just Keystone Kops run amok," Schuette said. In their report, his investigators described a "dysfunctional congressional staff that had completely lost its moral compass."
    McCotter was the man in charge.It is his signature that goes on the application when the petitions are turned into the Michigan office to get on the ballot. McCotter is the one who accepts responsibility for what is on those petitions even though others may have actually circulated them.

    When a fellow republican and one who served in Congress with McCotter calls him
    - "asleep at the switch"
    - and says he ran a "dysfunctional congressional staff that had completely lost its moral compass"

    that is a strong indictment of the direct responsibility McCotter bears. That more than "implicates " McCotter. It lays the blame directly upon McCotter.

    this article gives us more

    http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2012...lot-petitions/

    “Here, former Congressman McCotter was asleep at the switch. He failed to mind the store and appears to have provided no supervision whatsoever to his staff members,” Schuette continued. “Election fraud will not be tolerated and this brazen attitude of indifference by public servants is disgraceful.”
    The failure in the opinion of the republican Michigan Attorney General is square upon the shoulders of McCotter.

    I liked the final comments in the free press article

    "The congressman has resigned in disgrace," Schuette said. "But the district got stiffed. People got stiffed."
    Which is just what I stated yesterday. Over 700,000 people including myself were cheated by this disgusting and blatant example of election fraud. It dwarfs some of the piddly penny ante anecdotes we have seen in this thread which cause some such outrage.
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    http://www.freep.com/article/2012081...late=artiPhone

    Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette feels a bit differently than you do. He lays the blame for the fraud direct at McCotter.



    McCotter was the man in charge.It is his signature that goes on the application when the petitions are turned into the Michigan office to get on the ballot. McCotter is the one who accepts responsibility for what is on those petitions even though others may have actually circulated them.

    When a fellow republican and one who served in Congress with McCotter calls him
    - "asleep at the switch"
    - and says he ran a "dysfunctional congressional staff that had completely lost its moral compass"

    that is a strong indictment of the direct responsibility McCotter bears. That more than "implicates " McCotter. It lays the blame directly upon McCotter.

    this article gives us more

    Staffers for former Rep. Thaddeus McCotter (R-Mich.) will face criminal charges for filing fraudulent ballot petitions - The Political Carnival



    The failure in the opinion of the republican Michigan Attorney General is square upon the shoulders of McCotter.
    Asleep at the switch? It would appear so. A dysfunctional staff? Yes, it seems they were. He pulled this scam personally, as your post claimed? No, he did not.

    Claiming he was personally responsible is nothing but your opinion. Case closed.

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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    His nefarious motive was clear in his comment. He intends to use voter ID as a way to win elections for his party.
    B..but you said there is no evidence of voter fraud!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Asleep at the switch? It would appear so. A dysfunctional staff? Yes, it seems they were. He pulled this scam personally, as your post claimed? No, he did not.

    Claiming he was personally responsible is nothing but your opinion. Case closed.
    Lets reopen that case for a moment while I directly confront you head on with your post. Attorney General Schuette laid blame for the fraud at McCotter. It is his opinion also. Remember, when a candidate submits petitions to the State of Michigan elections office they must sign a statement accepting responsibility for them. That is not done by a campaign manager or by a staffer but must be done by the candidate themselves. McCotter accepted that responsibility - not once, not twice but three different times when he submitted those bogus and forged petitions.

    Schuette did not prosecute him as he could show no intent on the part of McCotter to commit a crime but that legal technicality does not relieve him of his responsibility for what happened as Schuette said in several different ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    B..but you said there is no evidence of voter fraud!
    When you finish your laugh can you quote the post where I stated that "there is no evidence of voter fraud"? I stated that Mike Turzai presented no evidence of vote fraud when he made his infamous pronouncement that voter ID would deliver his state for the Republicans since another poster her claimed that was his intent.

    I have never stated that there is not voter fraud. I have stated the evidence of it is small and does not warrant changing the system with its attached risks and potential for political manipulation.
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The question here is simple: is election fraud a problem that is on a level to warrant the solutions proposed knowing the potential risks of those solutions and the already announced intention to use it for partisan purposes. I have seen no verifiable evidence that it is a problem on such a level to warrant that risk.
    You are the one demanding evidence of voter fraud. If you agree that there is voter fraud then why demand the evidence? And, more importantly, why throw a tantrum when someone tries to screen for voter fraud?
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    and welfare programs promote out of wedlock births.
    They certainly enable it. Just as a matter of principle forcing one citizen to pay for another's stupidity is immoral, but that's what the Democrats sell.
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Lets reopen that case for a moment while I directly confront you head on with your post. Attorney General Schuette laid blame for the fraud at McCotter. It is his opinion also. Remember, when a candidate submits petitions to the State of Michigan elections office they must sign a statement accepting responsibility for them. That is not done by a campaign manager or by a staffer but must be done by the candidate themselves. McCotter accepted that responsibility - not once, not twice but three different times when he submitted those bogus and forged petitions.

    Schuette did not prosecute him as he could show no intent on the part of McCotter to commit a crime but that legal technicality does not relieve him of his responsibility for what happened as Schuette said in several different ways.
    And yet, you can't claim, as you did, that he personally committed the fraud that his staff was found guilty of. Spin all you want, and confront all you want, you claimed the guy did these things personally, and it's rather clear he did not. Case closed.

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