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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    National (federal) control of elections is constitutional now but would likely require a national voter registration database to limit the current multiple voting opportunities. I would prefer to use something like the NICS database (and possibly E-verify?) to accomplish that - it is based on SSN and already includes the data to allow excluding convicted felons and non-ctiizens (if that were part of the deal).
    I think we are onto something. I would have no problem with some sort of national voter ID card - without charge - which would give some what they want in exchange for national laws on national offices with national mandates for things like voting hours, voting machine standards, and the like. That would be the sort of compromise which give both sides something. I think progressives and Dems are well aware of the mike Turzai statement and believe that such GOP goals are the real reason for voter ID Laws. And Turzai did no favors to those who want it with his comments and admission. Progressives cringe when we see stories on the TV where thousands of "our voters" are lined up for hours at precincts with only a few machines while those precincts in "their voter" districts always seem to be plentiful and lines are shorter.

    If we can establish national standards for nation office elections - that might be the shared ground leading to compromise. And lets face it, that will become the defacto election since I see few local districts running a side by side contrary election of just state or local offices as it would be too expensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well clearly there is a problem - you were denied legal representation in Congress! That's Fraud, and it resulted in sitting Congresscritters casting legally binding votes on national legislation! We need to require ID right away to stop this sort of thing from happening ever again.
    The election fraud which denied me a legitimate representative in the House came from Republican Thad McCotter and not voters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh sure you did...Typical Haymarket debate...Say something, then change the parameters, and wait several pages and claim you never said such....Problem is it is right there in black and white for everyone to see your dishonesty...

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1063939223
    I clicked. I saw nothing of the kind. What statement of mine are you referring to?

    here is what I got when I clicked to the link

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    Have you tried googling voter fraud?
    from me in reply
    I will be more than happy to look at any evidence you would like to present.
    Yes, I clearly stated I would like at evidence of voter fraud. And still am willing to do that. There seems to be a huge chasm between me and you as to what constitutes evidence of voter fraud. That difference of opinion is NOT dishonesty as you charge. My standard has ALWAYS been that voter election fraud is measured by those convicted of it since there is no other accurate way to identify it and quantify it.

    If you know another way - please present it.
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I clicked. I saw nothing of the kind. What statement of mine are you referring to?

    here is what I got when I clicked to the link



    from me in reply

    Yes, I clearly stated I would like at evidence of voter fraud. And still am willing to do that. There seems to be a huge chasm between me and you as to what constitutes evidence of voter fraud. That difference of opinion is NOT dishonesty as you charge. My standard has ALWAYS been that voter election fraud is measured by those convicted of it since there is no other accurate way to identify it and quantify it.

    If you know another way - please present it.
    Well, between myself and Grant giving you at least 10 plus articles from all different parts of the country, and you don't see any evidence of it, I guess we shall have to wait until demo's lose, and then you'll be out there crying that we stole the elections....
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The election fraud which denied me a legitimate representative in the House came from Republican Thad McCotter and not voters.
    Precisely - they were able to make up voters. That shouldn't be allowed to happen, which is why we need voter ID right away. Haymarket, you have brought important information to this discussion - voter fraud is indeed a bipartisan concern. I'm glad to see you are now on-board with the need to prevent it as much as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    In my community it works like this:

    you show up at city hall to the clerk and tell them you want to register to vote
    you present them with some form of legal ID
    you fill out the application papers
    you provide them with a signature of your name
    the clerk then performs their due diligence as part of their legal responsibility to the state and community
    they then place the copy in the voters book which goes to your precinct on election day
    when I show up to vote I provide my signature on a form they give me
    a clerk compares my signature to the book
    if there is a discrepancy they can ask me for other ID
    when they are satisfied I am who I say I am and I match the registration
    I then vote
    They don't ask for my signature....just name and address. That they compare to the book. I don't, however, have to prove I am me at time of voting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, between myself and Grant giving you at least 10 plus articles from all different parts of the country, and you don't see any evidence of it, I guess we shall have to wait until demo's lose, and then you'll be out there crying that we stole the elections....
    Its a really big country with over 100 millon people casting votes in thens of thousands of communities. If there were not a few irregularities I would be shocked. And that is what the reports are - anecdotal information of small time stuff like the woman in Ohio who pled guilty. Now compare that to 100 million voters and tell me about the big problem of voter election fraud. Those few anecdotal stories do not constitute anything near that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Precisely - they were able to make up voters. That shouldn't be allowed to happen, which is why we need voter ID right away. Haymarket, you have brought important information to this discussion - voter fraud is indeed a bipartisan concern. I'm glad to see you are now on-board with the need to prevent it as much as possible.
    How does voter ID speak to what McCotter did with taking old petitions from years past and xeroxing the sigs on new petitions? There seems to be a huge disconnect between this event and what you are trying to twist it to represent......... or else you are trying to be funny or clever and coming up short.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    They don't ask for my signature....just name and address. That they compare to the book. I don't, however, have to prove I am me at time of voting.
    That is what you advocate?
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    How does voter ID speak to what McCotter did with taking old petitions from years past and xeroxing the sigs on new petitions?
    setting up the ability to actually check who is making decisions regarding representation through an ID check provides a hurdle for those who would commit fraud. Having a fraudulent congressman is no better than having a fraudulently elected Senator - they are both wrong and neither should happen and frankly, it's a bi-Partisan problem. Again, I'm glad to see that you now take this seriously.

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