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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And if you have data on that breakdown with the system falling apart resulting in voter fraud convictions I would love to see it.
    See we all know why you shifted to the "conviction" standard, and it was outlined in one of the many articles I posted earlier....

    And that is that claims of fraud have to be reviewed by the Board of Elections, and if they don't report it to the DA then they don't exist right?
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That is an excellent point, Haymarket. I agree. We should put in a changed model to ensure that our system is protected against the kind of voter fraud that was featured in your district, including but not limited to the use of identification for determining public representation.
    The identification that is used here is the matching of signatures. Only if there is a problem with that does the other forms of ID come in.
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    THe system you just stated has absolutely zero monitoring.
    What exactly is your concept of monitoring an election? Every election I have participated in for over forty years has been monitored by several people.







    I've read it. The "study" doesn't do any of its own investigation, only collects data on existing fraud investigations which is pointless if the fraud monitoring is lazy and full of holes and relies on "due diligence" of the intake system as the single point of failure.
    You don't like the results so you condemn the study with vague accusation without any evidence of substantiation combined with paranoid and partisan fueled assumptions.





    Yep, the standard response. "Show me the voter fraud! Wait!!! Stop screening for voter fraud!
    You seem to lack the ability to carry forth what you have learned and apply it. We do screen for voter fraud. And have been for quite a while now.
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    See we all know why you shifted to the "conviction" standard
    What other standard is there to identify actual voter fraud?
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The idea that ID is only useful in preventing person A from voting as person B ignores the distinct possibility of person A registering as person A of Boston, person A of San Antonio and person A of NYC. I seriously doubt that these polling locations crosscheck the roles to see if person A in one district/state matches that of person A in all others - virtually impossible if only the (non-unique) name A can be used.



    Once you make such foolish and faulty assumptions (bolded above) then any conclusions that are based on those assumptions are worthless. The presentation of a valid, state issued, photo ID serves to greatly limit the number of name/address combinations available to a given individual over say rent/utility receipts, property tax bills, library cards or many other documents that individuals can (and do) possess from various locations e.g. vacation properties, hunting leases, rental properties and many other reasons for owning/using multiple properties/dwellings. One such group, quite common in Texas, are the "snowbirds" that are part-time (but regular) "residents" of Texas during the election season but that should cast only absentee ballots in their place of primary residence.
    You bring up some good points. And as long as we have local control of elections and not national control in elections for national offices with a nation wide procedure that all must follow and can be checked - those sorts of things will indeed happen.

    Perhaps you can bring this up in the constitutional convention here and we can propose changes in that ?
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What other standard is there to identify actual voter fraud?
    You tell me, The Board acknowledges that more exists, but won't refer it to the DA for prosecution, so I guess it will never exist if it's not reported isn't that right....That's why you moved the goal posts....Shows me you know you've lost the debate.
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You tell me, The Board acknowledges that more exists, but won't refer it to the DA for prosecution, so I guess it will never exist if it's not reported isn't that right....That's why you moved the goal posts....Shows me you know you've lost the debate.
    The goal posts have been right where they have always been. I have moved nothing.
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You bring up some good points. And as long as we have local control of elections and not national control in elections for national offices with a nation wide procedure that all must follow and can be checked - those sorts of things will indeed happen.

    Perhaps you can bring this up in the constitutional convention here and we can propose changes in that ?
    National (federal) control of elections is constitutional now but would likely require a national voter registration database to limit the current multiple voting opportunities. I would prefer to use something like the NICS database (and possibly E-verify?) to accomplish that - it is based on SSN and already includes the data to allow excluding convicted felons and non-ctiizens (if that were part of the deal).
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The goal posts have been right where they have always been. I have moved nothing.
    Oh sure you did...Typical Haymarket debate...Say something, then change the parameters, and wait several pages and claim you never said such....Problem is it is right there in black and white for everyone to see your dishonesty...

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1063939223
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The identification that is used here is the matching of signatures. Only if there is a problem with that does the other forms of ID come in.
    Well clearly there is a problem - you were denied legal representation in Congress! That's Fraud, and it resulted in sitting Congresscritters casting legally binding votes on national legislation! We need to require ID right away to stop this sort of thing from happening ever again.

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