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Grant said:

Have you tried googling voter fraud?

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I will be more than happy to look at any evidence you would like to present.

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ThePlayDrive said:

I have conflicted thoughts about this. One the one hand, she is right. On the other hand, she's somewhat perpetuating the myth that racism is only a problem for white Southerners and Republicans. It is not. It is very much a problem among white liberals as well.

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I agree with you. However , from my experience, I face more in your face racism from right leaning crowds than left leaning crowds. The left leaning crowds feels more inclusive to anyone. Blacks, whites, hispanics, gays etc. Left leaning crowds are more likely to celebrate and embrace different cultures. Nobody is worried about the skin color of the other. You feel like you are welcome. Right leaning crowds are different. From my experience, they will be nice to you, but it seems like it is forced. There is only one culture embraced generally.

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haymarket said:

Looks like the system worked perfectly and there was no fraud committed....... perhaps attempted ..... but the system protected itself with its normal precautions.

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So, excused away again. Gee, what a surprise.

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haymarket said:

It is monitored constantly. I am 65 years old and have been voting for over four decades now and every time I vote it is constantly monitored.

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Are you talking about poll monitors?

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rcart76 said:

Good morning CJ

I understand what you are saying, Democrats do go to the racism toolbox too many times to demonize the right. However, republicans play race card too many time as well in the form of "The big black boogie man".

For example:

How many stories did fox have about the "knock out game" ? What do you think was the sole purpose of airing this story? was it to bridge racial division? They made it look like a epidemic even though the average white person in America has not even encounter such of act nor do they know anyone who has.

What about Rush Limbaugh? He told his listeners that Obama's America is black kids beating white kids.

How about Glen Beck? He told his listeners that Obama has a deep seeded hatred for white people.

The list goes on and on.

Its okay to criticize. But understand what the problem is before addressing it. You can't diagnose the problems about a car withour going under the hood. Most of the black knowledge comes from the media. And I don't care what Fox news say. The media has never been a friend of black people.

Got a news flash for you. Did you know that majority of blacks don't even like Al Sharpton? But if you look at the news, you would think that we worship him. Don't take my word for it. Ask the average black person what do they think about Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

We don't need the democrats to tells us who we feel are against us. The right does a great doing that on their own. Screwing around with the way we go out and vote is another good example. Let put politics on the side for a second. We all know the true reason why republicans are so interested in implementing this "voter laws" all of a sudden.

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Good morning rcart,

Can't say I agree with you on the voter laws issues these days. I can't believe anyone who values their own personal vote condones a system where that vote isn't protected and honoured and kept meaningful by eliminating as much as reasonably possible voter fraud. Are there some who have ulterior motives? Probably. Just as there are probably just as many who want to keep the system loose so that abuse can happen.

As for loud mouths on the left not being supported by those on the left, I'm pretty sure you'd find that Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, and the like aren't any more popular with the majority on the right. Each side finds their loud mouth idiots somewhat entertaining but few take their direction from any of them.

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j-mac said:

All of the sudden? This argument of voter fraud has been ongoing even since I started voting, even further back than that.

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Okay seriously??

Eliminating Sunday voting eliminates what type of fraud again? C'mon man, you seem to be a intelligent guy, you know why the GOP is so eager to push this.

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rcart76 said:

Okay seriously??

Eliminating Sunday voting eliminates what type of fraud again? C'mon man, you seem to be a intelligent guy, you know why the GOP is so eager to push this.

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We don't have Sunday voting in Canada. Other than collectively shaming churchgoers into voting as a hive by frog marching them onto buses and to polling stations, what's the big need for Sunday voting?

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ocean515 said:

So, excused away again. Gee, what a surprise.

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I made no excuse. I simply pointed out what the story reported - the system worked perfectly just the way it was designed to prevent fraud. I thought that was what you want to happen?

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CanadaJohn said:

Good morning rcart,

Can't say I agree with you on the voter laws issues these days. I can't believe anyone who values their own personal vote condones a system where that vote isn't protected and honoured and kept meaningful by eliminating as much as reasonably possible voter fraud. Are there some who have ulterior motives? Probably. Just as there are probably just as many who want to keep the system loose so that abuse can happen.

As for loud mouths on the left not being supported by those on the left, I'm pretty sure you'd find that Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, and the like aren't any more popular with the majority on the right. Each side finds their loud mouth idiots somewhat entertaining but few take their direction from any of them.

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So why do most republicans think that black people take their marching orders from Al Sharpton? Also, the Tea Party idolizes Glen Beck and his crazy conspiracy theories.

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jmotivator said:

Are you talking about poll monitors?

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The workers who work the polls for the city or town who check you in and check your identity before you are allowed to vote. Not once in over forty years have I ever been allowed to vote without going through this official procedure presenting myself to the poll workers and providing the identification that the law requires.

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haymarket said:

I will be more than happy to look at any evidence you would like to present.

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"New York City’s watchdog Department of Investigations has just provided the latest evidence of how easy it is to commit voter fraud that is almost undetectable. DOI undercover agents showed up at 63 polling places last fall and pretended to be voters who should have been turned away by election officials; the agents assumed the names of individuals who had died or moved out of town, or who were sitting in jail. In 61 instances, or 97 percent of the time, the testers were allowed to vote. Those who did vote cast only a write-in vote for a “John Test” so as to not affect the outcome of any contest. DOI published its findings two weeks ago in a searing 70-page report accusing the city’s Board of Elections of incompetence, waste, nepotism, and lax procedures.

The Board of Elections, which has a $750 million annual budget and a work force of 350 people, reacted in classic bureaucratic fashion, which prompted one city paper to deride it as “a 21st-century survivor of Boss Tweed–style politics.” The Board approved a resolution referring the DOI’s investigators for prosecution. It also asked the state’s attorney general to determine whether DOI had violated the civil rights of voters who had moved or are felons, and it sent a letter of complaint to Mayor Bill de Blasio. Normally, I wouldn’t think de Blasio would give the BOE the time of day, but New York’s new mayor has long been a close ally of former leaders of ACORN, the now-disgraced “community organizing” group that saw its employees convicted of voter-registration fraud all over the country during and after the 2008 election."

Voter Fraud: We

"Florida election officials announced that by cross-referencing voter rolls with driver's licenses and other materials, they believed 2,600 registered voters were in fact not U.S. citizens, and that they were looking into the records of another 180,000 registered voters. "

Is Voter Fraud a Real Problem?

"It's one thing to lose badly to the other guy, but it's another to get absolutely no votes. None.

That's what happened to Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney in 59 Philadelphia voting divisions, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer."

Zero Votes for Romney, 'Dozens of Black' Voters Prompt Cries of Voter Fraud - ABC News

Voter Fraud Doesn't Exist, Despite Any And All Evidence | The Daily Caller

12 former officials indicted for voter fraud - WALB.com, Albany News, Weather, Sports

This one is a possible reason for the low reported numbers...

"RALEIGH, N.C. -
One of the more compelling arguments for voter identification is the suppression of voter fraud. But for North Carolina, the number of cases of voter fraud reported by the state Board of Elections is minimal.

In 2012, nearly 7 million ballots were cast in the general and two primary elections. Of those 6,947,317 ballots, the state Board of Elections said 121 alleged cases of voter fraud were referred to the appropriate district attorney's office.

That means of the nearly 7 million votes cast, voter fraud accounted for 0.00174 percent of the ballots.

Looking back at the 2010 election cycle -- which was not a presidential year -- 3.79 million ballots were cast and only 28 cases of voter fraud were turned over to the appropriate DA's office. So in 2010, voter fraud accounted for 0.000738 percent of ballots cast.

The state Board of Elections acknowledges that far more cases of voter fraud are reported each voting cycle. But the majority of those cases are deemed unfounded and never referred to the DA's office."

Widespread voter fraud not an issue in NC, data shows - WNCN: News, Weather, Raleigh, Durham, Fayetteville

If the Board of elections doesn't do their jobs and report it to the DA then it disappears....

Shorewood man charged with 13 counts of voter fraud

Robert Popper: Political Fraud About Voter Fraud - WSJ

Voter Fraud in the US: Documented - Discover the Networks

How much evidence do you need, and from how many different places?

This quote sums it up from my last link...

"By definition, those who perpetrate [voter fraud] seek to go undetected, and it is a circular argument to say that there is no need for better law enforcement because our current lax enforcement hasn’t caught many violators."

Are you kidding me? With elections decided on razor slim margins today, even small instances of fraud can turn elections...See Frankin.

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haymarket said:

I made no excuse. I simply pointed out what the story reported - the system worked perfectly just the way it was designed to prevent fraud. I thought that was what you want to happen?

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The system allowed someone to commit fraud. It wasn't discovered until the "real" voter wasn't allowed to vote. His ballot ended up being provisional, and the fraudulent vote is going to count.

Got to bury your head pretty far up something to not have read those words in the article you claimed you were reporting from.

No credibility, nothing but excuses, and oh so expected.

shrubnose said:

Republicans are calling on Democratic Senator Mary Landrieu to apologize after she suggested Thursday that President Obama's deep unpopularity in the South is partly tied to race.

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Anyone in the GOP who doesn't recognize the fact that the GOP has close to zero support from Blacks in the USA Is out of touch with reality

Does anyone have any idea why so few Blacks support the GOP/




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP

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Same reason Jews didn't support Nazis?

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rcart76 said:

So why do most republicans think that black people take their marching orders from Al Sharpton? Also, the Tea Party idolizes Glen Beck and his crazy conspiracy theories.

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I'm not a Republican, so I can't say - but as a conservative I neither think most black people take their orders from Al Sharpton nor do I think most Tea Party supporters idolize Glen Beck. Like most sane, sentient individuals, we take in and compute internally what we see and hear and make our own decisions.

And just to be clear, just because Al Sharpton and Glen Beck, to name two, are complete idiots doesn't mean that they don't occasionally say something well worth supporting. I've actually found myself agreeing with something Al's said in the past and being shocked by it, but I can't for the life of me remember what it was. As the old saying goes, "even a broken clock is right twice a day".

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haymarket said:

I will be more than happy to look at any evidence you would like to present.

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Why do you debate a point when you clearly don't understand what's taking place?Expert Confirms Voting Machines in Illinois and Maryland Rigged for Democrats BREAKING: Obama Administration Officials Convicted Of Voter Fraud Woman Convicted of Voter Fraud Honored by Ohio Democrats Officials found guilty in Obama, Clinton ballot petition fraud | Fox News Democrat Convicted of Massive Voter Fraud in 2012 - BuzzPo 2014 Election Results: Did Liberals Rig Voting Machines To Switch Republican Votes To Democrat? Video May Prove So! Democrats Caught On Camera Committing Voter Fraud Woman Convicted of Voter Fraud Honored by Ohio Democrats

That should get you started.

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rcart76 said:

Okay seriously??

Eliminating Sunday voting eliminates what type of fraud again? C'mon man, you seem to be a intelligent guy, you know why the GOP is so eager to push this.

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Becauset they hope it keeps the numbers down.

This from Paul Weyrich - one of the leaders of the New Right speaking about keeping the vote down because it favors the right

"I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of the people. They never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down.

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rcart76 said:

Okay seriously??

Eliminating Sunday voting eliminates what type of fraud again? C'mon man, you seem to be a intelligent guy, you know why the GOP is so eager to push this.

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No, I don't...As many libs know the GOP has a close relationship with religion, and many feel that Sunday is a day for family, God, and rest...NOT political struggle.

But, any scapegoat will do eh?

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jmotivator said:

Are you talking about poll monitors?

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I think he's referring to his "keepers".

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j-mac said:

"New York City’s watchdog Department of Investigations has just provided the latest evidence of how easy it is to commit voter fraud that is almost undetectable. DOI undercover agents showed up at 63 polling places last fall and pretended to be voters who should have been turned away by election officials; the agents assumed the names of individuals who had died or moved out of town, or who were sitting in jail. In 61 instances, or 97 percent of the time, the testers were allowed to vote. Those who did vote cast only a write-in vote for a “John Test” so as to not affect the outcome of any contest. DOI published its findings two weeks ago in a searing 70-page report accusing the city’s Board of Elections of incompetence, waste, nepotism, and lax procedures.

The Board of Elections, which has a $750 million annual budget and a work force of 350 people, reacted in classic bureaucratic fashion, which prompted one city paper to deride it as “a 21st-century survivor of Boss Tweed–style politics.” The Board approved a resolution referring the DOI’s investigators for prosecution. It also asked the state’s attorney general to determine whether DOI had violated the civil rights of voters who had moved or are felons, and it sent a letter of complaint to Mayor Bill de Blasio. Normally, I wouldn’t think de Blasio would give the BOE the time of day, but New York’s new mayor has long been a close ally of former leaders of ACORN, the now-disgraced “community organizing” group that saw its employees convicted of voter-registration fraud all over the country during and after the 2008 election."

Voter Fraud: We

"Florida election officials announced that by cross-referencing voter rolls with driver's licenses and other materials, they believed 2,600 registered voters were in fact not U.S. citizens, and that they were looking into the records of another 180,000 registered voters. "

Is Voter Fraud a Real Problem?

"It's one thing to lose badly to the other guy, but it's another to get absolutely no votes. None.

That's what happened to Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney in 59 Philadelphia voting divisions, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer."

Zero Votes for Romney, 'Dozens of Black' Voters Prompt Cries of Voter Fraud - ABC News

Voter Fraud Doesn't Exist, Despite Any And All Evidence | The Daily Caller

12 former officials indicted for voter fraud - WALB.com, Albany News, Weather, Sports

This one is a possible reason for the low reported numbers...

"RALEIGH, N.C. -
One of the more compelling arguments for voter identification is the suppression of voter fraud. But for North Carolina, the number of cases of voter fraud reported by the state Board of Elections is minimal.

In 2012, nearly 7 million ballots were cast in the general and two primary elections. Of those 6,947,317 ballots, the state Board of Elections said 121 alleged cases of voter fraud were referred to the appropriate district attorney's office.

That means of the nearly 7 million votes cast, voter fraud accounted for 0.00174 percent of the ballots.

Looking back at the 2010 election cycle -- which was not a presidential year -- 3.79 million ballots were cast and only 28 cases of voter fraud were turned over to the appropriate DA's office. So in 2010, voter fraud accounted for 0.000738 percent of ballots cast.

The state Board of Elections acknowledges that far more cases of voter fraud are reported each voting cycle. But the majority of those cases are deemed unfounded and never referred to the DA's office."

Widespread voter fraud not an issue in NC, data shows - WNCN: News, Weather, Raleigh, Durham, Fayetteville

If the Board of elections doesn't do their jobs and report it to the DA then it disappears....

Shorewood man charged with 13 counts of voter fraud

Robert Popper: Political Fraud About Voter Fraud - WSJ

Voter Fraud in the US: Documented - Discover the Networks

How much evidence do you need, and from how many different places?

This quote sums it up from my last link...

"By definition, those who perpetrate [voter fraud] seek to go undetected, and it is a circular argument to say that there is no need for better law enforcement because our current lax enforcement hasn’t caught many violators."

Are you kidding me? With elections decided on razor slim margins today, even small instances of fraud can turn elections...See Frankin.

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So when Democrats claim there is no voter fraud does that make them ignorant or liars? Perhaps 'abysmally uninformed" would be the most polite way to describe their claims that there is no election fraud going on.

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j-mac said:

"New York City’s watchdog .

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So how many cases of voter fraud convictions do we have over the last 14 years or so? I did not see that in your post and that is the key component.

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humbolt said:

I think he's referring to his "keepers".

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Why are you stopping so low to such a personal insult? Does such nonsense pass for debate in your circles?

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ocean515 said:

The system allowed someone to commit fraud. It wasn't discovered until the "real" voter wasn't allowed to vote. His ballot ended up being provisional, and the fraudulent vote is going to count.

Got to bury your head pretty far up something to not have read those words in the article you claimed you were reporting from.

No credibility, nothing but excuses, and oh so expected.

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The system worked as it was constructed to do and voter fraud was prevented.

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Grant said:

So when Democrats claim there is no voter fraud does that make them ignorant or liars? Perhaps 'abysmally uninformed" would be the most polite way to describe their claims that there is no election fraud going on.

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I'd say all three...There is no way that anyone with the ability to access google today can claim what they do.

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haymarket said:

Why are you stopping so low to such a personal insult? Does such nonsense pass for debate in your circles?

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Because you avoid honesty like a plague.

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haymarket said:

Becauset they hope it keeps the numbers down.

This from Paul Weyrich - one of the leaders of the New Right speaking about keeping the vote down because it favors the right

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So you are comparing what a now deceased man said some years ago to what the Democrats are actually doing today? What is about 'Actions speak louder than words"? That certainly is the case here.