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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    You mean the generations of all those white voters that voted out the racist pigs in the Democrat party that filibustered against, voted against the civil rights bill? The children of these white people are so racist they vote for government officials of color? Do you think every Black person serving in Congress from the South got voted in by just the Black vote? Give me a break. If you knew anything about history you would know that white Southern Democrats and other places were starting to leave the party back in the 1920's. After Woodrow Wilson that isn't a surprise. Worst president ever. In 1956, Eisenhower became the first Republican since Reconstruction to win a plurality of the vote in the South, 49.8 percent to 48.9 percent. He once again carried the peripheral South, but also took Louisiana with 53 percent of the vote. He won nearly 40 percent of the vote in Alabama a huge Democratic stronghold for a century. The tide was changing long before the Civil Rights legislation was even being considered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your revisionist history doesn't jive. But hey if you don't have the race card to play or the gender card you would have nothing. And apparently Ms. Mary is running on empty as well.
    Eisenhower was a WAR HERO. He could have gotten elected anywhere. He was a fine president and a fine man, but let's not pretend that some sea change happened, considering, as you said, civil rights legislation was still a ways off.
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what it means is that attacking Innis for his black nationalism views of 40 years ago in no way diminishes what he says about the blacks who vote like bots for a party that really doesn't do much for them other than keep them dependent on Dem politicians and handouts

    Blacks are going to be relegated to second string status with the Dems as Hispanics take the favored position. In many Dem run areas, Hispanics provide more Dem votes than blacks but blacks are sell run as candidates by the DNC. This is going to be interesting for the party as Hispanics are demanding their candidates get the nomination and party
    support.

    but blacks by almost never voting GOP, cannot expect much from that party and since they are too easy for the Dems, the Dems don't really have to live up to any promises in order to keep the black monolith from voting mindlessly for the DNC
    What, exactly, does the GOP do for black folks?
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    Let me first start by saying that is good that you enjoy being around other races. I grew up that way in California when I was a kid. My crowd was always multicultural and we always crack jokes on each other stereo types. However, with all due respect, I have to disagree with you on a few points.

    1) You normally will not see a lot of racism in college driven cities. I went to school in Nashville and rarely had any problems there. However, when I drove to areas like Knoxville, it is a different beast.

    2) The south is down to earth, but still very segregated. When I was in LA, I saw mix race groups all the time hanging out. It was a melting pot. I don't get the same vibe here in Texas. Both side stick with their own for the most part.

    3) You said that the most racism you encountered were from Asians and Blacks. And I'm to assume that it was towards you. This is the bulk of the problem with this country. Nobody believe that something like racism exists unless it happens to them. I laugh when a white person always say "racism does not exist because I would see it" or when black people say "black people can't be racist". has it ever occurred to either side that you don't experience it because you are not the target of it?

    These are just my opinions.
    Fair criticisms... but I've tried my best to keep all of that into account,I am not ignorant of your concerns... I am someone who really tries to be as non-biased as possible, but that doesn't mean I'm perfect.

    Asians ARE by far the most racist... not towards me, occasionally on rare occasions... but very much so towards black people.... I see there true thoughts in conversations and reactions.
    Of course i am being general, not all or even most fit this criteria, but yea. ESPECIALLY asians fresh off the boat... I hang out with them all the time. They have not had the same cultural revolution the west has. Racism is the baseline... but they label it all a "foreigner"



    A lot of black people tend to have a chip on their shoulder due to race, and that in turn tends to lead to their own prejudice...

    Never have I once said racism doesn't exist, nor that there aren't white people who are racist. And it's not like I haven't been everywhere around the south, I'm in Atlanta every-day been, all around the state, around all kinds of people... because I've been very open to it.

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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Well then laugh yourself silly.
    I do, because of how ridiculous your statement is. The "Dixiecrats" came into existence in the 20th century. The South had a history of racism that spanned 100 years before they even came into existence. Is that the fault of the Dixiecrats? Lol

    But it doesn't explain away the facts that the first Black members to Congress were from the South and were all Republicans during and after the Reformation up to around 1918.
    Ah good grief, you want to explain your anachronism now or later? How did the Dixiecrats, which didn't come into existence over 80 years after the civil war, make the South anymore racist than it already was? Lol.

    You can laugh yourself silly but it doesn't change the fact that getting the civil rights bill passed would not have been possible if it were not for Republicans in the minority party because the Southern Democrats opposed the legislation, filibustered it. Have a nice day.
    That's a funny way of looking at things. Do you know how voting work in DC? If we need to pay 40 dollars on a bill, I give $30 and you give $10 while keeping another $10 in your pocket, am I supposed to be grateful that you provided less than half to paying the tab? Am I supposed to be ashamed because you paid $10 and parade it around as if you paid the tab? Because that's more or less what happened. Republicans have tried to make Democrats ashamed of the fact that they were only the party which provided the most votes for the CRA'64. They continually push the nonsense that if it weren't for them the bill would have never gotten passed.

    The truth: Republicans were a minority party. The majority of the Union Democrat votes went the same way as Union Republican votes. With that said: If Democrats had held the seats Republicans held (most of which were in the North), they would have voted in the same manner as other Northern Democrats. So it would have made absolutely no difference whether Democrats or Republicans held the Republican seats. Think I'm wrong?

    Were Republicans really the party of civil rights in the 1960s? | Harry J Enten | Comment is free | The Guardian



    Confederate Republicans voted en masse against the bill. Northern Republicans voted the same way Northern Democrats did. This myth that it was "Democrats" who voted against the bill is just that. A myth. A myth which works out well until you realize that by the 1970s, most of those Democrats had actually become Republicans. Strom Thurmond anyone? A myth which works out well until you realize that Republicans had little to no presence in the South and those that did voted the same way as Southern Democrats. A myth which... oh you get it.

    Alright, so with the truth out there and it being shown that being Republican and Democrat was not the deciding factor in how congress voted. What decided? Well, in one word: Allegiance during the Civil War. If you were a Southerner, you were against desegregation and civil rights for black. If you were a Northerner, you were for it and in favor of civil rights for blacks. That's what this lady got at in her subtext and she's not wrong. Obama is unpopular in the South partly because it has a long history of racism. Whether it was perpetuated by Democrats (Lol - or as your anachronism told us "Dixiecrats") is irrelevant. It is there. Or are Democrats forever racist while the South has flourished into a bastion of acceptance?
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Wow highlighted my grammar error, what a sweetheart! Here let me give you the link to the National Black Republicans Association, they claim the Southern Strategy has been debunked. And they claim MLK was a Republican too. Take it up with them.

    National Black Republican Association | National Black Republican Association

    And if the operative is "were", then why in the Hell is Mary Landrieu claiming we are still living in the 60's? Thanks for showing what a bunch of crap her comments were and how there are those using the Black vote like pawns to re-elect them. Their communities all across this land reek of poverty and high unemployment rates, and many end up in prison because of it and their Democrat representation let's them continue to live that way, not providing job opportunities to pull themselves out of the gutter, but instead show up during an election promising them a bunch of crap and never deliver. They hand out some little token and think they should repay them with their vote. Then turn around and have the audacity to claim it is their very constituients who are to blame by calling them racist and sexist. It doesn't get any lower than that.
    They better tell the RNC.....

    RNC Chief to Say It Was 'Wrong' to Exploit Racial Conflict for Votes

    Ken Mehlman, the Republican National Committee chairman, this morning will tell the NAACP national convention in Milwaukee that it was "wrong."

    "By the '70s and into the '80s and '90s, the Democratic Party solidified its gains in the African American community, and we Republicans did not effectively reach out," Mehlman says in his prepared text. "Some Republicans gave up on winning the African American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization. I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."
    USATODAY.com - GOP: 'We were wrong' to play racial politics

    "Some Republicans gave up on winning the African-American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization," Mehlman said at the annual convention of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. "I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."
    It's funny to watch the "Black Republican Association" website debunk... what the RNC chairman has admitted happened. It's like people working for NASA... trying to debunk the moon landing.
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I do, because of how ridiculous your statement is. The "Dixiecrats" came into existence in the 20th century. The South had a history of racism that spanned 100 years before they even came into existence. Is that the fault of the Dixiecrats? Lol



    Ah good grief, you want to explain your anachronism now or later? How did the Dixiecrats, which didn't come into existence over 80 years after the civil war, make the South anymore racist than it already was? Lol.



    That's a funny way of looking at things. Do you know how voting work in DC? If we need to pay 40 dollars on a bill, I give $30 and you give $10 while keeping another $10 in your pocket, am I supposed to be grateful that you provided less than half to paying the tab? Am I supposed to be ashamed because you paid $10 and parade it around as if you paid the tab? Because that's more or less what happened. Republicans have tried to make Democrats ashamed of the fact that they were only the party which provided the most votes for the CRA'64. They continually push the nonsense that if it weren't for them the bill would have never gotten passed.

    The truth: Republicans were a minority party. The majority of the Union Democrat votes went the same way as Union Republican votes. With that said: If Democrats had held the seats Republicans held (most of which were in the North), they would have voted in the same manner as other Northern Democrats. So it would have made absolutely no difference whether Democrats or Republicans held the Republican seats. Think I'm wrong?

    Were Republicans really the party of civil rights in the 1960s? | Harry J Enten | Comment is free | The Guardian



    Confederate Republicans voted en masse against the bill. Northern Republicans voted the same way Northern Democrats did. This myth that it was "Democrats" who voted against the bill is just that. A myth. A myth which works out well until you realize that by the 1970s, most of those Democrats had actually become Republicans. Strom Thurmond anyone? A myth which works out well until you realize that Republicans had little to no presence in the South and those that did voted the same way as Southern Democrats. A myth which... oh you get it.

    Alright, so with the truth out there and it being shown that being Republican and Democrat was not the deciding factor in how congress voted. What decided? Well, in one word: Allegiance during the Civil War. If you were a Southerner, you were against desegregation and civil rights for black. If you were a Northerner, you were for it and in favor of civil rights for blacks. That's what this lady got at in her subtext and she's not wrong. Obama is unpopular in the South partly because it has a long history of racism. Whether it was perpetuated by Democrats (Lol - or as your anachronism told us "Dixiecrats") is irrelevant. It is there. Or are Democrats forever racist while the South has flourished into a bastion of acceptance?
    Union and Confederate? 1964?

    Come on...you don't see that blatant bias in the way this is written?

    Nevermind that this article is a comletely biased way of looking at things....how about you do some research on the civil rights acts prior to 1964. Don't forget women's suffrage and such things as anti-lynching laws.
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I never said anything the Democrats being the party of the klan. Why would you address that toward me? Because I'm wearing your ass out and you need a break?
    Dude, that statement was in response to a different poster. You really don't read well do you sport?

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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Union and Confederate? 1964?

    Come on...you don't see that blatant bias in the way this is written?
    The words "Union" and "Confederate" don't arise any bias for me. Do they do so for you? The statement was that states which had been confederate voted against the bill. Fact. Those who had been union in the past, voted against. Fact. Do you disagree with those facts? Or are facts biased to you? Do you have evidence to the contrary? What do you have other than complaining you don't like facts? Here are some:

    Politicians from Southern states - REGARDLESS OF THEIR POLITICAL LEAN (Democrat/Republican) - voted mostly against the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
    Politicians from Northern States - REGARDLESS OF THEIR POLITICAL LEAN (Democrat/Republican) - voted mostly in favor of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

    Do you find those statements to be false? Once you have answered those questions, we can move on to the second part of this fact finding mission. However, please before you do - look at the voting record:

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/88-1964/h182

    Let's look at the "confederate" states mentioned shall we?

    South Carolina: 5 votes. 5 Nays. All 5 Democrats.
    Mississippi: 5 votes. 5 Nays. All 5 Democrats
    Alabama: 8 votes. 8 nays. All 8 Democrats.
    Florida: 12 votes. 1 yea,[ Democrat. 11 nays, 2 Republican, 9 Democrats.
    Georgia: 10 votes. 1 yea, Democrat. 9 nays, Democrats.
    Louisiana: 8 votes. 8 nays. All 8 Democrat.
    Texas: 22 votes. 4 yea, all Democrat[/B]. 17 nays, 17 Democrats, 1 Republican.
    Virginia: 10 votes. All nays, 2 Republicans 8 Democrats.
    Arkansas: 4 votes. All nays. All Democrat.
    North Carolina: 7 votes. All nays. All Democrat.
    Tennessee: 10 votes. 2 yea, Democrats. 8 nay, 3 Republican, 5 Democrat.
    Missouri: 10 votes. 6 yea, 5 democrats, 1 Republican. 4 nay, 1 Republican, 3 Democrats.
    Kentucky: 5 votes. 5 nays, 3 Democrats, 2 Republicans.

    So out of all of those votes... only 14 were in favor of the civil rights act. 14 votes in the entire Confederacy. How is the article wrong in saying that it was mostly the South that voted against the act? We could look at NY and NJ. How did they do? All of their politicians REGARDLESS of lean voted in favor of it. What about Pennsylvania? All 27 voted in favor regardless of lean. How did....Florida do? Only one person from Florida voted in favor of the bill... He was a Democrat. The two Republicans from Florida? Voted against. You're way out of your league here mac.
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The words "Union" and "Confederate" don't arise any bias for me. Do they do so for you? The statement was that states which had been confederate voted against the bill. Fact. Those who had been union in the past, voted against. Fact. Do you disagree with those facts? Or are facts biased to you? Do you have evidence to the contrary? What do you have other than complaining you don't like facts? Here are some:

    Politicians from Southern states - REGARDLESS OF THEIR POLITICAL LEAN (Democrat/Republican) - voted mostly against the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
    Politicians from Northern States - REGARDLESS OF THEIR POLITICAL LEAN (Democrat/Republican) - voted mostly in favor of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

    Do you find those statements to be false? Once you have answered those questions, we can move on to the second part of this fact finding mission.
    Yes they do. Nevermind inaccuracy....many states included in the vote for the 1964 civil rights act were not even states during the civil war era. Further, There were very few southern Republicans in either house, both of which were controlled by Democrats. And there were less southern Republicans that voted against it than there were northern Democrats that voted against it. Even further, the Republican party was the main driver behind every civil rights related legislation up to that date. The last point is...there was a Full Democrat super majority in govt at the time, House, Senate, Presidency....you cannot relegate all Republican opposition to any Democrat measure to simple racism while ignoring simple political opposition for political purposes.
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Dude, that statement was in response to a different poster. You really don't read well do you sport?
    Now the insults start. The evolution of the Liberal argument...lol!
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