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    New Russian Boldness Revives a Cold War Tradition: Testing the Other Side

    Then this week, researchers at FireEye, a Silicon Valley firm, released their work detailing a similar campaign by Russian hackers that also targeted NATO, and a long list of victims that included the governments of Georgia, Poland, Hungary, Mexico, Eastern European governments and militaries, and journalists writing on issues of importance to the Russian government.
    “This is no smash-and-grab, financially motivated Russian cybercriminal,” said Laura Galante, the threat intelligence manager who oversaw the research at FireEye. “This is Russia using their network operations to achieve their key political goals.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/31/wo...her-side-.html


    The problems with Russia have been mounting for years now. And while he has chided for saying it, Mitt Romney was nonetheless correct when he said that Russia is America's #1 geopolitical threat. However, President Obama disagrees, saying that Russia is only a regional threat. Senator McCain called Russia a gas station. The sanctions placed on Russia because of Crimea and Ukraine has only solidified the government's resolve, just as it always has. The Russians are wanting to play tit-for-tat with us just as we did during the Cold War. That War has been mentioned many, many times within the last few years. Like, spying is at Cold War Levels. Military movements that are unusual in scale. A craving for the return of the Soviet Union is not represented just by the leadership of Russia but by its citizenry as well. Diplomatic relations are not on solid ground, and by all appearances, are getting actively worse.

    This of course, makes sense since the Soviet Union collapsed, but what's now known as Russia maintained so much of its original foundation that made them our counterweight on the world stage, like their spying apparatus, which has added a potent cyber capability, and as always, a large nuclear arsenal and capable fighters with lots of resolve, who will be propagandized into unceremoniously hating us.

    While the seriousness of this issue is currently being downplayed, which is perhaps for other reasons than what is being said publicly, the scenery is nonetheless there, just as it has been since the Soviet Union fell. Their government collapsed, but the U.S., The West and NATO did not subjugate the people through occupation. So while they lost power and influence, they still had enough to cause us problems nonetheless. The Cold War just went on the back burner for a while, but it really isn't back there anymore.

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    Re: New Russian Boldness Revives a Cold War Tradition: Testing the Other Side

    Putin has dropped all moderate pretense now that he has solidified internal control and muzzled independent media.


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    A dimwit like Hillary Clinton would be the wrong leader at this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    A dimwit like Hillary Clinton would be the wrong leader at this time.
    I don't know, if Hillary does what President Clinton did, perhaps an agreement of sorts can be attained without having to resort to the tit-for-tat mechanics that occur when the U.S. and Russia are at odds with one another. Maybe, maybe not. She might not hold the line against them and actually give up ground to them. Whoever becomes POTUS, they better be prepared to endure a bumpy ride given current realities and have a plan to get us into calmer waters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Putin has dropped all moderate pretense now that he has solidified internal control and muzzled independent media.
    The final nail in the coffin hasn't happened yet - there is still dissent that makes the airwaves. Once those channels go quiet and remain silent, oh ****.

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    These are obvious pretenses for american and UN involvement in war. the tensions are building. Main stream media didnt post what putin said a few days later, he talks about NATO and the UN pushing for a new order. I dont think russia is a great country, and i dont defend them. However, in this current process it is western government that is bullying russia.

    We overthrew their leader to put in a puppet leader to force ukraine into the e.u. The only thing russia did was go in and protect its army base that was in the region of Crimera. The Russian revolutionaries in the Ukrainian region did not want to break from russia, because they consider themselves the same people as Russia. They did not want to join the .e.u. but with our spectacular foreign policy we overthrew that regime and forced a new one in. Of course they're going to resist, especially when 80% of the people agreed to it. Then NATO said it wasn't a lawful vote, ARE YOU KIDDING ME! It even came out that the Ukraine forces shot down the milyasian plane that we blamed on russia

    Mitt Romney and Barack Obama are both horribly wrong by saying russia is the biggest threat. The biggest threat to USA right now is our Policies that we have in placed. Our foreign policy is atrocious, and our domestic policy is horrible. We are about to completely bankrupt as a nation, and our solution is to send troops to africa to fight ebola as well as lead to possibility of troops on the ground in libya. Also, we are sanctioning Russia when we are tillions and trillions of dollars in debt? This is outrageous, it is the dumbest thing anybody could ever do. We actually think that the world will back us in every single military expenditure?

    The funny thing is we spy on every single country in the world, thanks to snowden leaks, and we actually want to paint russia as this evil country when they do it to us? Let me guess, we are going to rally for war with Russia. This is all a huge coincidence that this happened, considering a few days ago Putin said he was done with play time with the west and he was no longer going to negotiate anything with us because he says its all apart of an agenda for a new world order through shady deals and false promises. The media didn't report this speech however.

    All of this is outrageous, we need to stop our military expansion or else we will fall just like Rome. The biggest threat to america is our policies, not other countries

    The worst thing we can do is hire a tyrant like hillary clinton to execute orders over more sanctions of russia. Its time to stop all of this

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    Re: New Russian Boldness Revives a Cold War Tradition: Testing the Other Side

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    I don't know, if Hillary does what President Clinton did, perhaps an agreement of sorts can be attained without having to resort to the tit-for-tat mechanics that occur when the U.S. and Russia are at odds with one another. Maybe, maybe not. She might not hold the line against them and actually give up ground to them. Whoever becomes POTUS, they better be prepared to endure a bumpy ride given current realities and have a plan to get us into calmer waters.
    She doesn't have the gravitas of Bill Clinton, not even close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    She doesn't have the gravitas of Bill Clinton, not even close.
    I agree, but there's always the potential for Bill's counsel to have an effect on her. I'm not saying I want her as POTUS, I don't, but if that's the route this country is going to take, that's the best case scenario that we've got IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    I agree, but there's always the potential for Bill's counsel to have an effect on her. I'm not saying I want her as POTUS, I don't, but if that's the route this country is going to take, that's the best case scenario that we've got IMO.
    Bill will be too busy counseling WH interns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Bill will be too busy counseling WH interns.
    The worst of all possible outcomes.

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