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    Re: New Russian Boldness Revives a Cold War Tradition: Testing the Other Side

    After what has happened in Ukraine and Georgia, and considering the supreme hypocrisy of the US government, it makes perfect sense that Russia would respond in such a manner.

    To a neutral observer, the provocative actions of the US government over the last 10 years or so are blatant.

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    Re: New Russian Boldness Revives a Cold War Tradition: Testing the Other Side

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    To a neutral observer, the provocative actions of the US government over the last 10 years or so are blatant.
    Nothing as blatant as annexing part of another state.


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    Re: New Russian Boldness Revives a Cold War Tradition: Testing the Other Side

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    After what has happened in Ukraine and Georgia, and considering the supreme hypocrisy of the US government, it makes perfect sense that Russia would respond in such a manner.

    To a neutral observer, the provocative actions of the US government over the last 10 years or so are blatant.
    An invasion and occupation is one thing, but annexing the land itself is an entirely different can of worms.

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    Re: New Russian Boldness Revives a Cold War Tradition: Testing the Other Side

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Why? You don't think she could be "flexible" with the Russians too?
    She could probably kill millions of Russians with her droning speech style.
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    Re: New Russian Boldness Revives a Cold War Tradition: Testing the Other Side

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Nothing as blatant as annexing part of another state.
    Do you mean like our annexing Texas?

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    Re: New Russian Boldness Revives a Cold War Tradition: Testing the Other Side

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    An invasion and occupation is one thing, but annexing the land itself is an entirely different can of worms.
    Wouldn't that depend upon a number of factors?

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    Re: New Russian Boldness Revives a Cold War Tradition: Testing the Other Side

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Do you mean like our annexing Texas?
    One wrong never excuses another.


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    Re: New Russian Boldness Revives a Cold War Tradition: Testing the Other Side

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    One wrong never excuses another.
    True, dat.

    But an understanding of history and human behavior is most helpful in understanding current events.

    Just noticed your signature regarding Crimea. Didn't Crimea vote on that issue of re-entering the Russian political scene a few years back?

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    Re: New Russian Boldness Revives a Cold War Tradition: Testing the Other Side

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    True, dat.

    But an understanding of history and human behavior is most helpful in understanding current events.
    I agree. With the onset of global organizations such as the League of Nations and the United Nations, modernity has embraced and operated under the Westphalian concept of sovereignty.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Just noticed your signature regarding Crimea. Didn't Crimea vote on that issue of re-entering the Russian political scene a few years back?
    There was a referendum in Crimea in March of 2014 while under Russian occupation. However, the constitutions of both Ukraine and Crimea stipulated that the legal status of Crimea can only be altered with the approval of Ukraine. The UN and the international community do not recognize the annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation as a legitimate transfer.


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    Re: New Russian Boldness Revives a Cold War Tradition: Testing the Other Side

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    I agree. With the onset of global organizations such as the League of Nations and the United Nations, modernity has embraced and operated under the Westphalian concept of sovereignty.


    There was a referendum in Crimea in March of 2014 while under Russian occupation. However, the constitutions of both Ukraine and Crimea stipulated that the legal status of Crimea can only be altered with the approval of Ukraine. The UN and the international community do not recognize the annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation as a legitimate transfer.
    And I assume the referendum passed? I wonder what Victoria Nuland thinks of all that?

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