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    Re: New Russian Boldness Revives a Cold War Tradition: Testing the Other Side

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    Re: New Russian Boldness Revives a Cold War Tradition: Testing the Other Side

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/31/wo...her-side-.html


    The problems with Russia have been mounting for years now. And while he has chided for saying it, Mitt Romney was nonetheless correct when he said that Russia is America's #1 geopolitical threat. However, President Obama disagrees, saying that Russia is only a regional threat. Senator McCain called Russia a gas station. The sanctions placed on Russia because of Crimea and Ukraine has only solidified the government's resolve, just as it always has. The Russians are wanting to play tit-for-tat with us just as we did during the Cold War. That War has been mentioned many, many times within the last few years. Like, spying is at Cold War Levels. Military movements that are unusual in scale. A craving for the return of the Soviet Union is not represented just by the leadership of Russia but by its citizenry as well. Diplomatic relations are not on solid ground, and by all appearances, are getting actively worse.

    This of course, makes sense since the Soviet Union collapsed, but what's now known as Russia maintained so much of its original foundation that made them our counterweight on the world stage, like their spying apparatus, which has added a potent cyber capability, and as always, a large nuclear arsenal and capable fighters with lots of resolve, who will be propagandized into unceremoniously hating us.

    While the seriousness of this issue is currently being downplayed, which is perhaps for other reasons than what is being said publicly, the scenery is nonetheless there, just as it has been since the Soviet Union fell. Their government collapsed, but the U.S., The West and NATO did not subjugate the people through occupation. So while they lost power and influence, they still had enough to cause us problems nonetheless. The Cold War just went on the back burner for a while, but it really isn't back there anymore.
    I certainly believe that the Russians are acting very stupidly in a number of areas. But we knew that Russia was a Continental Power in the sense of Kissinger's early analysis. A collapse does not usually change ingrained cultural attitudes and behavior. Russia is a destructive player and plays almost every situation as thought its structure were zero sum. I have hardly ever seen it play a win-win game.

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    Re: New Russian Boldness Revives a Cold War Tradition: Testing the Other Side

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I certainly believe that the Russians are acting very stupidly in a number of areas. But we knew that Russia was a Continental Power in the sense of Kissinger's early analysis. A collapse does not usually change ingrained cultural attitudes and behavior. Russia is a destructive player and plays almost every situation as thought its structure were zero sum. I have hardly ever seen it play a win-win game.
    Reciprocity and an understanding of each other's interests could have gone a long way post WWII. But, that unfortunately, was not in the cards. And perhaps that ship is so lost that things can never be mended back to a workable understanding.

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    Re: New Russian Boldness Revives a Cold War Tradition: Testing the Other Side

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    That depends on context

    And, it would certainly be the biggest embarrassment a POTUS has ever had to endure while in office.

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    Re: New Russian Boldness Revives a Cold War Tradition: Testing the Other Side

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Reciprocity and an understanding of each other's interests could have gone a long way post WWII. But, that unfortunately, was not in the cards. And perhaps that ship is so lost that things can never be mended back to a workable understanding.
    I do not think that the Problems are really solvable between nations. There were continual wars within Germany until Bismarck united it and thereby internalized security believably and robustly for individuals and groups at the national level. Lacking that, there will be war.

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    Re: New Russian Boldness Revives a Cold War Tradition: Testing the Other Side

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    A dimwit like Hillary Clinton would be the wrong leader at this time.
    Yes her reset button is evidence of that

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    Re: New Russian Boldness Revives a Cold War Tradition: Testing the Other Side

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    Yes her reset button is evidence of that
    Hillary Clinton (named after the great mountaineer ) is a real tool.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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    Re: New Russian Boldness Revives a Cold War Tradition: Testing the Other Side

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I do not think that the Problems are really solvable between nations. There were continual wars within Germany until Bismarck united it and thereby internalized security believably and robustly for individuals and groups at the national level. Lacking that, there will be war.
    At this point, no, they are not solvable. Too much bad blood exists, and there are no blameless parties here.

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    Re: New Russian Boldness Revives a Cold War Tradition: Testing the Other Side

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    It even came out that the Ukraine forces shot down the milyasian plane that we blamed on russia
    It came out that the Ukraine military shot down the Maylasian airliner? Do you have a link? And from my understanding it wasn't blamed on Russia but the Russian supplied rebels.

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    Re: New Russian Boldness Revives a Cold War Tradition: Testing the Other Side

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    It came out that the Ukraine military shot down the Maylasian airliner? Do you have a link? And from my understanding it wasn't blamed on Russia but the Russian supplied rebels.
    No, it did not.

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