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Grand jury assembling in civil-rights case involving George Zimmerman

Simon W. Moon said:
Violating civil rights is not murder.
Two different things altogether.
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My point:
They tried to convict him of murder, and failed.
So, since they couldn't try him for murder again, they came up with a new trumped up charge.

It's time to let the poor guy go.
 
Dittohead not! said:
My point:
They tried to convict him of murder, and failed.
So, since they couldn't try him for murder again, they came up with a new trumped up charge.
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I agree:

Unless there is evidence that Zimmerman is a dogmatic rascist, and there is none, making a case that hesought to violate Martin's civil rights on account of his race is nearly impossible. The charges should never have been placed.
Dittohead not! said:
It's time to let the poor guy go.
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I disagree:

Zimmerman is a willfull idiot who was going to do something stupid with a weapon sooner than later. Being a willfull idiot does not make Zimmerman a rascist and does not make him guilty of murder. It does, however, reduce my sympathy for him.
 
Did those people even watch the trial?

They had absolutely nothing to convict him of murder, yet they are going to try and say he violated Martin's civil rights when he defended himself from Martin's attack?

Let the proceedings at the 3rd world kangaroo court begin.
 
Cryptic said:
Zimmerman is a willfull idiot who was going to do something stupid with a weapon sooner than later. Being a willfull idiot does not make Zimmerman a rascist and does not make him guilty of murder. It does, however, reduce my sympathy for him.
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:doh
There is no evidence that he is a willful idiot.
 
Excon said:
:doh
There is no evidence that he is a willful idiot.
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Zimmerman's life story, both before and after the shooting clearly demonstrate that he is a willfull idiot:

Failing out of "State U", two arrests, and a pattern of "misunderstandings" with employers, girl friends, and the police. Not surprisingly, he then does something dumb while carrying a weapon.

Zimmerman is innocent of murder and the federal charges, but clearly guilty of willful idiocy.
 
Cryptic said:
Zimmerman's life story, both before and after the shooting clearly demonstrate that he is a willfull idiot:

Failing out of "State U", two arrests, and a pattern of "misunderstandings" with employers, girl friends, and the police. Not surprisingly, he then does something dumb while carrying a weapon.

Zimmerman is innocent of murder and the federal charges, but clearly guilty of willful idiocy.
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is that a punishable offense?

He isn't the brightest bulb in the box, but then again neither are millions of other Americans. Ditto's right. It's time to let him go.
 
Cryptic said:
Zimmerman's life story, both before and after the shooting clearly demonstrate that he is a willfull idiot:

Failing out of "State U", two arrests, and a pattern of "misunderstandings" with employers, girl friends, and the police. Not surprisingly, he then does something dumb while carrying a weapon.
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:doh
Your understanding is what is flawed.
 
tres borrachos said:
is that a punishable offense?

He isn't the brightest bulb in the box, but then again neither are millions of other Americans. Ditto's right. It's time to let him go.
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No, being a willful idiot is not a punishable offense here. As an academic point, however, Napoleonic law may allow the willfully idiotic to be criminally punished as such in some cases. Of course, we do not have a Napoleonic system.

I also agree with Ditto, and with you- the federal charges are contrived and unsustainable. They should never have been placed.

Excon said:
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Your understanding is what is flawed.
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Would you want "Z-man" marrying your daughter?
 
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I really, really hate that stuff like this happens. They guy was tried once by the state of Florida. They couldn't make their case so now the Feds have to try. I know it isn't a double jeopardy situation but it should be. Trying a guy twice in two separate court systems for the same event is just wrong.
 
Gaius46 said:
Trying a guy twice in two separate court systems for the same event is just wrong.
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I agree with what you say.
But while it may be the same event, it is for different things. :shrug:
 
Excon said:
I agree with what you say.
But while it may be the same event, it is for different things. :shrug:
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I agree. That's why it's not a double jeopardy issue. What's wrong to me is the idea that people have to submit to 2 trials and have twice as many sleepless nights. People are owed some measure of certainty and finality.
 
Gaius46 said:
People are owed some measure of certainty and finality.
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Which is what trials are supposed to bring to the specific charges.
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I just disagree with this because the information is overwhelming that there wasn't any Civil Rights violation.

If there was at least a modicum of evidence to suggest such I would be all for not charging an individual until the investigation is complete.
But in this case the length of the investigation seems absurdly long.
 
Gaius46 said:
I really, really hate that stuff like this happens. They guy was tried once by the state of Florida. They couldn't make their case so now the Feds have to try. I know it isn't a double jeopardy situation but it should be. Trying a guy twice in two separate court systems for the same event is just wrong.
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This case is a non starter, Z was acquitted of all charges and now they want to try him for what? Killing a black kid.
 
Excon said:
Which is what trials are supposed to bring to the specific charges.
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I just disagree with this because the information is overwhelming that there wasn't any Civil Rights violation.

If there was at least a modicum of evidence to suggest such I would be all for not charging an individual until the investigation is complete.
But in this case the length of the investigation seems absurdly long.
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Two trials stemming from the same incident is one too many. Decide who has jurisdiction, decide on the charges, have the trial and be done with it. In the best
case the guy is acquitted both times and is in debt for the rest of his life. In the worst he would have been acquitted in both but couldn't afford a decent defense the second time around goes to jail and is debt for the rest of his life.
 
Only in Obama's Imperialistic America would such a case be pursued.
 
Grim17 said:
Only in Obama's Imperialistic America would such a case be pursued.
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This isn't an Obama issue. It's a product of our split jurisdictional system where both the Feds and the states can bring charges. It's been going on for years.
 
Gaius46 said:
This isn't an Obama issue. It's a product of our split jurisdictional system where both the Feds and the states can bring charges. It's been going on for years.
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It's an Eric Holder thing, which makes it an Obama issue.
 
It's time for our government, our court system, and the people of the United States to move the **** on from this issue and let Zimmerman get on with his life. It's over.
 
Gaius46 said:
Two trials stemming from the same incident is one too many. Decide who has jurisdiction, decide on the charges, have the trial and be done with it. In the best
case the guy is acquitted both times and is in debt for the rest of his life. In the worst he would have been acquitted in both but couldn't afford a decent defense the second time around goes to jail and is debt for the rest of his life.
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You would have to change the law for that, which I would have no problem with.
There are many things that could be changed but under our current laws though I can not agree simply because they are two separate jurisdictions. :shrug:
 
tres borrachos said:
It's time for our government, our court system, and the people of the United States to move the **** on from this issue and let Zimmerman get on with his life. It's over.
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This is a racially motivated prosecution on Eric Holder's and Obama's part. Why else would they pursue this when there is no evidence that supports it?
 
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