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    re: U.S. Economy Up 3.5% in 3rd Quarter, Capping Best 6 Months in Over a Decade[W:75]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Not really. I'm just amused by the ideological stance.
    this isn't actually an ideological argument (that would be the "how"). It's a historical one (the "what").

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    re: U.S. Economy Up 3.5% in 3rd Quarter, Capping Best 6 Months in Over a Decade[W:75]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Gas prices are down which helps out pretty much everyone, and U.S. production is way up. We are on our way to North American Energy Independence, a goal for decades. Care to tell us why that is?
    Um because oil prices were high enough to spur fracking production in shale areas (which have high extraction costs and high drop-offs/short term production) and global demand is slack....and forecast to remain so thru 2015.

    Of course, Obama, more than anyone is responsible for the global macro characteristics of oil demand and supply.

    I also enjoy the implication that US production is a patriotic activity by international oil corps.

    And it would be a shame for the US to reduce our dependence on oil...to help make us "energy independent".
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    re: U.S. Economy Up 3.5% in 3rd Quarter, Capping Best 6 Months in Over a Decade[W:75]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Um because the price was high enough to spur fracking production in shale areas (which have high extraction costs and high drop-offs/short term production) and global demand is slack....and forecast to remain so thru 2015.

    Of course, Obama, more than anyone is responsible for the global macro characteristics of oil demand and supply.
    Meh. He has impacts.

    That being said, the question was whether or not businesses were succeeding in spite of the Administration or not. The Fracking industry is a clear example of one that is.

    I also enjoy the implication that US production is a patriotic activity by international oil corps.

    And it would be a shame for the US to reduce our dependence on oil...to help make us "energy independent".
    reducing our need to depend upon Middle Eastern oil is just smart policy. Which is why it has been the stated goal of every administration for the past two decades.

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    re: U.S. Economy Up 3.5% in 3rd Quarter, Capping Best 6 Months in Over a Decade[W:75]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    this isn't actually an ideological argument (that would be the "how"). It's a historical one (the "what").
    LOL....sure...your view of "Obama is stopping US oil production" is not an ideological argument.

    Wow.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    re: U.S. Economy Up 3.5% in 3rd Quarter, Capping Best 6 Months in Over a Decade[W:75]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Meh. He has impacts.
    Actually, right now and for the past few years, the GOP controlled House has had more of an impact on US demand than the POTUS.

    That being said, the question was whether or not businesses were succeeding in spite of the Administration or not.
    Again, the US House has had more impact on US demand.
    The Fracking industry is a clear example of one that is.
    An ideological view that ignores the global macro realities.



    reducing our need to depend upon Middle Eastern oil is just smart policy. Which is why it has been the stated goal of every administration for the past two decades.
    Um, the Dick Cheney is notorious for his rejection of reducing oil consumption, and like you, wants to focus on supply.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    re: U.S. Economy Up 3.5% in 3rd Quarter, Capping Best 6 Months in Over a Decade[W:75]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    That's a good number. What exactly did Obama have to do with it though?

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    re: U.S. Economy Up 3.5% in 3rd Quarter, Capping Best 6 Months in Over a Decade[W:75]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    LOL....sure...your view of "Obama is stopping US oil production" is not an ideological argument.

    Wow.
    But the courageous and poor, beleaguered energy companies are somehow succeeding despite this all out Progressive attack on them.
    Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.

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    re: U.S. Economy Up 3.5% in 3rd Quarter, Capping Best 6 Months in Over a Decade[W:75]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    But the courageous and poor, beleaguered energy companies are somehow succeeding despite this all out Progressive attack on them.
    Crying and crawling, damaged by massive tax breaks, all the way to the bank.

    "Don't cry for me, America"....
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    re: U.S. Economy Up 3.5% in 3rd Quarter, Capping Best 6 Months in Over a Decade[W:75]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Meh. He has impacts.

    That being said, the question was whether or not businesses were succeeding in spite of the Administration or not. The Fracking industry is a clear example of one that is.



    reducing our need to depend upon Middle Eastern oil is just smart policy. Which is why it has been the stated goal of every administration for the past two decades.
    There's no substance to the energy independence argument. International firms produce, refine and sell oil on the international market at international market prices. Even with more production and refining happening in the US, the supplies are still subject to the international economy, including price swings due to middle eastern oil production/sales. It doesn't matter where the oil is coming from: when there is a sharp drop in supply, oil prices will spike. So energy independence is impossible, for any country.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    re: U.S. Economy Up 3.5% in 3rd Quarter, Capping Best 6 Months in Over a Decade[W:75]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    That's a good number. What exactly did Obama have to do with it though?
    "The bad buck stops there, the good one doesn't".......or....."You didn't (build) earn that!"
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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