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    Re: Unusual Russian Flights Have NATO worried

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    A great theory especially since Russia has some of the best chess players in the world, but I think the fall of the S.U. was just a matter of overextenting itself and it finally caught up with them economically. If the U.S. is not careful we coukd end up in the same boat.


    They have some Great grand masters.

    But the typical Russian Chess player can be beaten easily if you just play them past the 9th or 10th move.

    They just memorize openings and DON'T learn the game.

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    Re: Unusual Russian Flights Have NATO worried

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I heard a very smart man say the other day that his theory was that Russia is trying to create a new normal that will eventually enable a Failed Article 5 Invocation. Scary stuff.
    Speaking of scary stuff, I would say that shooting down a civilian airliner and falsely blaming it on Russia is also scary stuff...

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    Re: Unusual Russian Flights Have NATO worried

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Speaking of scary stuff, I would say that shooting down a civilian airliner and falsely blaming it on Russia is also scary stuff...
    As I recall it was blamed on Russian-backed separatists.

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    Re: Unusual Russian Flights Have NATO worried

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    As I recall it was blamed on Russian-backed separatists.
    Quite right, it was blamed on them.

    Trouble is that what facts and evidence exist do not support that story.

    Rather like the Gulf Of Tonkin incident or the sinking of the USS Maine in Havana harbor or the Reichstag Fire, the story is likely false, meant to inflame passions and deceive a gullible public.

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    Re: Unusual Russian Flights Have NATO worried

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Quite right, it was blamed on them.

    Trouble is that what facts and evidence exist do not support that story.

    Rather like the Gulf Of Tonkin incident or the sinking of the USS Maine in Havana harbor or the Reichstag Fire, the story is likely false, meant to inflame passions and deceive a gullible public.
    Nothing in the body of circumstantial evidence rules out the rebels shooting down MH17 with a BUK missile as suspected. Occam's Razor and the economy of parsimony also favor a rebel mistake.


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    Re: Unusual Russian Flights Have NATO worried

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    NATO is not worried about those flights, they are loving every minute of it. It gives them something to do and justifies their existence.

    CNN believes whatever NATO tells it, no questions asked.

    NATO is worried about Russian flights like the DEA is worried about people in the drug business.
    Eh, I'm not so sure of that, Henry. NATO is always feeling like it is walking on broken glass with Russia. Old Mother Russia could suddenly come barreling out and through Eastern and Western Europe in short time if she chose to make that decision. Obviously the U.S. could come to Europe's aid, ONCE AGAIN!, but the Europeans living through the Russian bombing raids might not make it long enough to see American planes blowing Russian one's out of the ****ing sky. European NATO knows it cannot stand against the Russia by themselves, the civilians in those countries that lived through the Cold War are probably like, "Again? And so soon? Damn..."

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    Re: Unusual Russian Flights Have NATO worried

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Quite right, it was blamed on them.

    Trouble is that what facts and evidence exist do not support that story.

    Rather like the Gulf Of Tonkin incident or the sinking of the USS Maine in Havana harbor or the Reichstag Fire, the story is likely false, meant to inflame passions and deceive a gullible public.
    Because they probably did it. They've invaded Ukraine and have caused internal dissent as well the annexation of Crimea. Propaganda is also "meant to inflame passions and deceive a gullible public." This has always been a peculiar anomaly to me during my online experience, why so many people rhetorically bash the United States every chance they get, but reserve almost entirely any comment whatsoever about Russia, China, Iran, Cuba, North Korea etc. Very strange considering the rhetoric hurled at the U.S. has been done worse and more often in many cases by the Russians. Stalin massacred how many millions of his own people in one of the worst internal purges ever committed on a civilization. Their current dictator has already threatened Nuclear War, well, because he really wants to absorb the Ukraine back into Russia because they are trying to revive the Soviet Union. The Russian people want it and already expect harsher internal repressions than what was experienced before. Very peculiar why so many anti-U.S. people don't have just as loud of a voice in their condemnation of Russia. Very odd, indeed, if you know what I mean.

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    Re: Unusual Russian Flights Have NATO worried

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    GeoPolitics and economic warfare and the Russians are demonstrating that they are not a paper cowboy, but can be a sizeable Military/Nuclear threat. They have just launched one submarien launched Bulava missile with multiple, individually directable warheads, and will launch a second one next month. These are weapons against which the USA missile defense system is useless because the warheads are steerable and defeat the Patriot system. If you read all I have linked you will understand that it it the USA that is provoking the Russians with Economic Warfare. I don't remember voting for that, do you?

    "Russia's continued support for separatist rebels in eastern Ukraine, along with plans to recognize a controversial election by the rebels next month are likely to keep the sanctions by the EU and the United States in place against Russia for the time being." From the CNN article.

    The US/EU have no intention of lifting the sanctions and the Russians know that. It has nothing to do with Ukraine. The CIA is manipulating economic policies to the benefit of Western Energy and Banking Plutocrats/Oligarchs/Billionaires. The CIA works for USA CORPORATIONS overseas and that translates to covert and not so covert schemes as is ongoing in Ukraine, Syria, Libya, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, OPEC, etc. Read the link carefully. Think about the distribution network (pipelines) for Big Energy Corporations OIL and Gas. Draw your own conclusions. Truth is where you find it.

    *The Kerry-Abdullah Secret Deal And An Oil-Gas Pipeline War On Iran, Syria And Russia

    "What has happened is that the long-time US ally inside OPEC, the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, has been flooding the market with deep discounted oil, triggering a price war within OPEC, with Iran following suit and panic selling short in oil futures markets. The Saudis are targeting sales to Asia for the discounts and in particular, its major Asian customer, China where it is reportedly offering its crude for a mere $50 to $60 a barrel rather than the earlier price of around $100. [1] That Saudi financial discounting operation in turn is by all appearance being coordinated with a US Treasury financial warfare operation, via its Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence(my bold DaveFagan), in cooperation with a handful of inside players on Wall Street who control oil derivatives trading. The result is a market panic that is gaining momentum daily. China is quite happy to buy the cheap oil, but her close allies, Russia and Iran, are being hit severely."
    Some of those missiles could and probably would get through, but I suspect that we have methodology to counter what the Russian's have. Like, I remember everyone freaking out when it was revealed that China has a missile capable of sinking one of our carriers. Sure, the catastrophe of one being sunk is bad enough, but that would be the only one, as they would not sink another. We'd bring the hammer down on 'em harder than they could ever withstand, man.

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    Re: Unusual Russian Flights Have NATO worried

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Because they probably did it. They've invaded Ukraine and have caused internal dissent as well the annexation of Crimea. Propaganda is also "meant to inflame passions and deceive a gullible public." This has always been a peculiar anomaly to me during my online experience, why so many people rhetorically bash the United States every chance they get, but reserve almost entirely any comment whatsoever about Russia, China, Iran, Cuba, North Korea etc. Very strange considering the rhetoric hurled at the U.S. has been done worse and more often in many cases by the Russians. Stalin massacred how many millions of his own people in one of the worst internal purges ever committed on a civilization. Their current dictator has already threatened Nuclear War, well, because he really wants to absorb the Ukraine back into Russia because they are trying to revive the Soviet Union. The Russian people want it and already expect harsher internal repressions than what was experienced before. Very peculiar why so many anti-U.S. people don't have just as loud of a voice in their condemnation of Russia. Very odd, indeed, if you know what I mean.
    Yes, I know what you mean.

    I think we've discussed before that I took my oath to protect & defend the document at Fort Bragg in the Summer of '69, so I've been pulling for the US ever since, and even before.

    Trouble is Jango, in these last several decades, accelerating it seems during the last decade, the US has become the world's bully, the world's bad guy. Invading countries under false pretenses, killing innocents by way of midnight raids and drone strikes, JSOC misbehavior on an epic scale. Torturing people. Keeping people imprisoned EVEN AFTER the flimsy legal processes have declared certain individuals innocent. By way of legislation, nullifying the Fourth Amendment and Habeas Corpus, all under the fraud of the GWOT.

    This does not make me happy or proud, it makes me ashamed. Every bone in my body wishes it were not true, but it is. The document that you and I are both sworn to uphold, and its legal principles, have been shredded, and we both know it.

    The Russians are cruel and capricious, to be sure, but they are only human.

    If Russia had been doing in Mexico or Canada what we are doing in Ukraine, Crimea and Georgia, we too would be most defensive and worried and antagonistic. It's only natural.

    What makes the US situation so offensive is the outrageous hypocrisy. One cannot spread democracy and justice around the world by way of antagonizing the world and sending JSOC teams and drones all 'round killing pregnant women and children, flouting one's own laws in the process.

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    Re: Unusual Russian Flights Have NATO worried

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Quite right, it was blamed on them.

    Trouble is that what facts and evidence exist do not support that story.

    Rather like the Gulf Of Tonkin incident or the sinking of the USS Maine in Havana harbor or the Reichstag Fire, the story is likely false, meant to inflame passions and deceive a gullible public.
    Yes, I know what RT claimed.

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