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La Raza Promotes Washington Post Guide On Where People Can Vote Without An ID[W:53]

Re: La Raza Promotes Washington Post Guide On Where People Can Vote Without An ID

What do you call it when you provide information that people may not know? Education maybe?

Now let me ask a question. What is the point of Georgia, the state I live in, promoting information on exactly what is required to vote? georgia voter identification requirements2 Are they helping people learn how to circumvent the law, or are they helping ensure people have what they need when the time comes?

Your state and it's representatives have a vested interest in getting that information to you.

La Raza does not in any way have a vested interest in telling people where they can vote without ID.
 
Re: La Raza Promotes Washington Post Guide On Where People Can Vote Without An ID

Its a marxist hispanic supremacy group. La Raza actually means the race.

Yes which is a stupid name since Mexican is a nationality.
 
Re: La Raza Promotes Washington Post Guide On Where People Can Vote Without An ID

National Council of La Raza | The Translation of Our Name



I tend to think they know more about why they named themselves what they did than you. And no matter what they all themselves, educating voters on requirements to vote is a good thing.

They are a Hispanic organization using a Spanish word, but now they want to say it doesn't mean what it means.

They are getting more stupid every day.
 
Re: La Raza Promotes Washington Post Guide On Where People Can Vote Without An ID

Every one of the members of La Raza that are from Mexico know this system, as that is what we have here in Mexico.

I wonder why they think it is a good idea for Mexico but not for the US.

No one is promoting a national ID for voting. What some object to are patchwork state standards, for reasons we've discussed in great detail

If someone did push national standards and a national ID, I'd support it. Make the rules consistent from state to state, automatically register all eligible citizens when they turn 18, updated automatically through change of address forms/IRS data/DL data/SS or Medicare data/other benefits data, with consistent standards and consistent policies from state to state. Those would be huge steps in the right direction and I'd support them 100%. Bring us into the 21st century.
 
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It's a long article - if there's a point in there, please make it.

And I was responding to U.S. Conservative. He asserts that La Raza providing information to, anyone, really, somehow indicates an intent to commit 'voter fraud.' My question to him, and to you, is what can possibly be wrong with informing any voter about the ID requirements of his state? He couldn't or wouldn't answer, and you haven't either.

If you don't want to be accused of taking that position because of naked animus for the La Raza or the hispanics who follow them, just answer the simple question - what's wrong with informing ANY group, white, black, hispanic, evangelical, gun owners, patriots, homosexuals, union workers, women, conservative women, etc. about ID requirements in their state?

The answer is nothing, obviously.
There is IMHO a big difference between informing legal citizens of the requirements in their states, and blanketly putting out a list of those states that don't require ID as a wink and a nod to the illegals on where to vote illegally. But you know that.
 
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Really? Where does it say that? Just because that is what you would do with the information does not mean that is what every one would do.
Oh so now you think everyone else is stupid.
 
Re: La Raza Promotes Washington Post Guide On Where People Can Vote Without An ID

Your state and it's representatives have a vested interest in getting that information to you.

La Raza does not in any way have a vested interest in telling people where they can vote without ID.

I guess you didn't see the graphic. It had five categories. ID required, photo or non-photo. ID requested - photo or non-photo. And no ID required. That's useful information to everyone wanting to vote on Tuesday.
 
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All this confirms is what we already know. We need a national ID to vote law, end the debate. Until then we will see more tips from many on avoidance at best and vote manipulation at worst. With all the things you need an ID for, including dealing with the government in other ways, it is absurd to suggest obtaining an ID somehow discriminates and excludes.

No it doesn't. It's a deception to convinced liked minded people that it does. But no where has any information or evidence of fraud been shown of any significance.
 
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There is IMHO a big difference between informing legal citizens of the requirements in their states, and blanketly putting out a list of those states that don't require ID as a wink and a nod to the illegals on where to vote illegally. But you know that.

You might have a point if that's what the list did. Unfortunately for your straw man, the graphic was a summary "informing legal citizens of the requirements in their states." It listed all 50 states and the general ID requirements of all 50 of them.
 
Re: La Raza Promotes Washington Post Guide On Where People Can Vote Without An ID

No one is promoting a national ID for voting. What some object to are patchwork state standards, for reasons we've discussed in great detail

If someone did push national standards and a national ID, I'd support it. Make the rules consistent from state to state, automatically register all eligible citizens when they turn 18, updated automatically through change of address forms/IRS data/DL data/SS or Medicare data/other benefits data, with consistent standards and consistent policies from state to state. Those would be huge steps in the right direction and I'd support them 100%. Bring us into the 21st century.

None of that automatically anything works.

People have to make the effort to go down to the office and show their documents to have their picture taken, plus their fingerprints taken as well.

The point of it being national, is that the states would have nothing to do with it, it would be federal. The card from all 50 states plus D.C. would be the same and highly recognizable.

My point was that every member of La Raza that is from Mexico has an IFE Card in their pocket, which is our federal voting card, and nobody votes without it being not only in their possession, but valid as well. If you let your IFE card expire, you cannot do anything like cash a check or do any bank transactions.
 
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No it doesn't. It's a deception to convinced liked minded people that it does. But no where has any information or evidence of fraud been shown of any significance.
Clearly you are ignoring what was recently uncovered in Maryland.
 
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You might have a point if that's what the list did. Unfortunately for your straw man, the graphic was a summary "informing legal citizens of the requirements in their states." It listed all 50 states and the general ID requirements of all 50 of them.

But, But, but . . . .

Thanks for pointing that out. :thumbs:
 
Re: La Raza Promotes Washington Post Guide On Where People Can Vote Without An ID

Clearly you are ignoring what was recently uncovered in Maryland.


No, I just can't find a credible source verifying the claim made by less credible sources. You're welcome to provide something.
 
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None of that automatically anything works.

I suggest you read about how the Canadian system works. Here's a primer: FairVote.org | Universal Voter Registration: The Canadian Model

People have to make the effort to go down to the office and show their documents to have their picture taken, plus their fingerprints taken as well.

The point of it being national, is that the states would have nothing to do with it, it would be federal. The card from all 50 states plus D.C. would be the same and highly recognizable.

OK, you do that once per decade or so like with DL, and then your registration is updated automatically. I'm fine with that. Not sure why fingerprints are necessary, unless we're going to verify them at the polling place, which seems like overkill.

My point was that every member of La Raza that is from Mexico has an IFE Card in their pocket, which is our federal voting card, and nobody votes without it being not only in their possession, but valid as well. If you let your IFE card expire, you cannot do anything like cash a check or do any bank transactions.

It's an argument for a national ID that I've never seen anyone push for in the U.S. Certainly conservatives don't support that - or I've never seen it. And in 2014 at best it's an idea, and we have to base policy on what IS not what might be in a decade, and we do not have national ID.
 
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Clearly you are ignoring what was recently uncovered in Maryland.

No, there is a law suit, but not a proven discovery. Just a group that claims they have. Conservative groups picked up on this and leaped all the way to proven. That's different than the reality. When you're too willing to believe something you're easily fooled.
 
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I suggest you read about how the Canadian system works. Here's a primer: FairVote.org | Universal Voter Registration: The Canadian Model



OK, you do that once per decade or so like with DL, and then your registration is updated automatically. I'm fine with that. Not sure why fingerprints are necessary, unless we're going to verify them at the polling place, which seems like overkill.



It's an argument for a national ID that I've never seen anyone push for in the U.S. Certainly conservatives don't support that - or I've never seen it. And in 2014 at best it's an idea, and we have to base policy on what IS not what might be in a decade, and we do not have national ID.

You don't see why fingerprints are necessary?

What do you think happen if somebody wants to get a card in more than one name?
 
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No, there is a law suit, but not a proven discovery. Just a group that claims they have. Conservative groups picked up on this and leaped all the way to proven. That's different than the reality. When you're too willing to believe something you're easily fooled.

I'm always open to new evidence, and maybe there's a problem in Maryland. But the problem is the right wing has a LONG, LONG, LONG history of inflammatory accusations about "VOTER FRAUD!!!" the DEAD ARE VOTING!!! etc. during election season then six months or a year later the "thousands of fraudulent votes!!! DEMOCRAT FRAUD!!" turns out to be 2 or 3, if that, closed with a wimper. And then we move onto another set of inflammatory claims in the next go around.

It's literally the best real life example of the Boy Who Cried Wolf there is. Doesn't mean the boy can't be right, just that there's no reason to trust the GOP until we get proof, and lots of reasons to be skeptical. For one, I have no idea why an illegal, and especially a non-citizen but legal resident, would risk a felony and deportation to cast one vote.
 
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No it doesn't. It's a deception to convinced liked minded people that it does. But no where has any information or evidence of fraud been shown of any significance.

The deception is that asking for an ID discriminates. If that were really the case over half the things you need ID for, including dealing with the government, would not be asked for.

Quit holding groups of people back just to say they are discriminated against.
 
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You don't see why fingerprints are necessary?

What do you think happen if somebody wants to get a card in more than one name?

Somehow we've made it through 2014 in the U.S. without those requirements. Some states, notably Texas, have RECENTLY begun requiring fingerprints, but it's never happened in my state, I have a DL, and that's what I used to vote yesterday.
 
Re: La Raza Promotes Washington Post Guide On Where People Can Vote Without An ID

You have no understanding of the term La Raza...please try not to comment on what you clearly have no knowledge of...

Have you ever heard the term..."My Peeps"..? Do you have any concept of what the term "My Peeps" means?

Well, let's let a History teacher speaking at a La Raza Rally on the UCLA campus fill in the facts.

 
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The deception is that asking for an ID discriminates. If that were really the case over half the things you need ID for, including dealing with the government, would not be asked for.

Quit holding groups of people back just to say they are discriminated against.

"ID" =/= State or Federally Issued Photo ID with current address. Most everyone has an "ID" but in Texas about 600,000 registered voters do not have a form of ID accepted for voting.
 
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"ID" =/= State or Federally Issued Photo ID with current address. Most everyone has an "ID" but in Texas about 600,000 registered voters do not have a form of ID accepted for voting.

Then get one, not all that complicated. Why do you want to hold people back?
 
Re: La Raza Promotes Washington Post Guide On Where People Can Vote Without An ID

Then get one, not all that complicated. Why do you want to hold people back?

It's been discussed. It can be both complicated and costly.

And I don't want to hold them back - obviously they get through life fine without a State or Federally Issued Photo ID. I just want to protect the right to vote, same as others are committed to defending the right to own a weapon, or the right to free speech.
 
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It's been discussed. It can be both complicated and costly.

And I don't want to hold them back - obviously they get through life fine without a State or Federally Issued Photo ID. I just want to protect the right to vote, same as others are committed to defending the right to own a weapon, or the right to free speech.

Cop out, that is all this is.
 
Re: La Raza Promotes Washington Post Guide On Where People Can Vote Without An ID

Well, let's let a History teacher speaking at a La Raza Rally on the UCLA campus fill in the facts.



Who is this guy and what does he have to do with the term "La Raza".

He can use any terms he likes. He can make any claims he likes. He is no more representative of the raza than any other individual.

He is as confused as to what la raza is as you are.
 
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