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Jim Crow returns Millions of minority voters threatened by electoral purge

Great article but this is the biggest thing that stuck out to me:

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This is a great article. Too bad none of this is actually a criminal offense. The GOP loves these actions, because its simple, they are taking away people who will not vote for them. The GOP is no friend of democracy.

Seriously??? This isn't about putting together a list of people who are going to get booted off the voting rolls, it's a list of potential problems. If they are legitimate, then there's no issue, if they aren't, then they should be booted off the voting rolls. There's no doubt that the algorithm being used needs some fine-tuning, but for something this important, common sense dictates that we should err on the side of finding too many, rather than too few.
 
Hmmm: "the actual lists show that not only are middle names commonly mismatched and suffix discrepancies ignored, even birthdates don’t seem to have been taken into account. Moreover, Crosscheck deliberately ignores Social Security mismatches, in the few instances when the numbers are even collected. The Crosscheck instructions for county election officers state, “Social Security numbers are included for verification; the numbers might or might not match.”

Twenty-three percent of the names — nearly 1.6 million of them — lack matching middle names. “Jr.” and “Sr.” are ignored, potentially disenfranchising two generations in the same family. And, notably, of those who may have voted twice in the 2012 presidential election, 27 percent were listed as “inactive” voters, meaning that almost 1.9 million may not even have voted once in that race, according to Crosscheck’s own records."

So how does this equate to "Jim Crow laws"?
 
"The three states’ lists are heavily weighted with names such as Jackson, Garcia, Patel and Kim — ones common among minorities, who vote overwhelmingly Democratic. Indeed, fully 1 in 7 African-Americans in those 27 states, plus the state of Washington (which enrolled in Crosscheck but has decided not to utilize the results), are listed as under suspicion of having voted twice. This also applies to 1 in 8 Asian-Americans and 1 in 8 Hispanic voters. White voters too — 1 in 11 — are at risk of having their names scrubbed from the voter rolls, though not as vulnerable as minorities...

Minority last names are overrepresented in Crosscheck lists
(followed by graph in artcile)"

--But man. You must be a speed reader! Did you even read the article?

With smaller root populations, minorities will tend towards common surnames. That's a matter of statistics and demographics, not racism. Oops... I just offered up facts and science, sorry about that, TDS...
 
I think its suppression, but i dont think its the moral equivalent to Jim Crow Laws. Title is dramaitc.

So an admittedly flawed program is suppression? Unless they prove that there was a double vote, nothing happens. This program is designed to try to catch those who would commit voter fraud. Is there a problem with that?? It clearly needs some fine-tuning, but the basic idea is sound - would you agree??
 
Seriously??? This isn't about putting together a list of people who are going to get booted off the voting rolls, it's a list of potential problems. If they are legitimate, then there's no issue, if they aren't, then they should be booted off the voting rolls. There's no doubt that the algorithm being used needs some fine-tuning, but for something this important, common sense dictates that we should err on the side of finding too many, rather than too few.

LOL, you mean like taking into account middle names, Jr. and Sr., and perhaps not including on a list of potential DOUBLE voters the 27% on that list classified by the list as inactive for not voting ONCE in recent elections? That kind of 'fine tuning'?

In most circumstances we'd call call those "fatal flaws" to their approach, which normally requires "trash" and start over. What's incredible (obvious but shocking nonetheless) is no one is that stupid, so what's the purpose for adopting a process that will inevitably and obviously produce garbage output. That's the answer those defending this approach need to come up with.
 
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So an admittedly flawed program is suppression?
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When did CrossCheck (AKA Kobach) say the its "flawed"? I think its purposely flawed, to suppress votes.

Unless they prove that there was a double vote, nothing happens.
Not true. Over 40,000 have already been polled from the rolls in Virginia based off this list alone. You're telling me that they proved 40,000 + double voted?

This program is designed to try to catch those who would commit voter fraud. Is there a problem with that?? It clearly needs some fine-tuning, but the basic idea is sound - would you agree??

Way more than "fine tuning". More like a restart.
 
So an admittedly flawed program is suppression? Unless they prove that there was a double vote, nothing happens. This program is designed to try to catch those who would commit voter fraud. Is there a problem with that?? It clearly needs some fine-tuning, but the basic idea is sound - would you agree??

Not true. The states are using the list as a basis for making registered voters confirm their current address, which they do by sending out a postcard. So unless the person identified takes a positive step - gets, notices, fills out and sends in the post card, and it arrives and is processed - or otherwise confirms their registration, they are kicked off the rolls.

Worse, according to the article, there is no follow up. No letter no nothing to notify the person they're no longer registered. So the person might have voted in the primary and show up in Nov. to find out he's not on the list.
 
LOL, you mean like taking into account middle names, Jr. and Sr., and perhaps not including on a list of potential voters the 27% on that list classified by the list as inactive for not voting ONCE in recent elections? That kind of 'fine tuning'?

In most circumstances we'd call call those "fatal flaws" to their approach, which normally requires "trash" and start over. What's incredible (obvious but shocking nonetheless) is no one is that stupid, so what's the purpose for adopting a process that will inevitably and obviously produce garbage output. That's the answer those defending this approach need to come up with.

Would you rather have someone take an extra look at voting rolls that doesn't need to be made or would you rather just let anyone vote as many as times as they want to?? There's no doubt that this wasn't done well, but at least it's erring on the side of wasting time and resources and not on the side of allowing people to double-vote. You want to toss the whole mess, but that's not what is needed. Fix the problem and move on from there. Learn from the mistakes as you go and make the corrections needed, don't just dump the whole thing.
 
LOL, you mean like taking into account middle names, Jr. and Sr., and perhaps not including on a list of potential DOUBLE voters the 27% on that list classified by the list as inactive for not voting ONCE in recent elections? That kind of 'fine tuning'?

In most circumstances we'd call call those "fatal flaws" to their approach, which normally requires "trash" and start over. What's incredible (obvious but shocking nonetheless) is no one is that stupid, so what's the purpose for adopting a process that will inevitably and obviously produce garbage output. That's the answer those defending this approach need to come up with.
It seems to be the Democrats who are most unwilling to change the system and add greater integrity to the electoral system. Eric Holder is one. Truth Serum: Is there voter fraud in America? | On Air Videos | Fox News
 
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When did CrossCheck (AKA Kobach) say the its "flawed"? I think its purposely flawed, to suppress votes.


Not true. Over 40,000 have already been polled from the rolls in Virginia based off this list alone. You're telling me that they proved 40,000 + double voted?



Way more than "fine tuning". More like a restart.

Virginia

Three people were found to have been incorrectly pulled form the rolls and they have been reinstated. It's not like there were 38,000 people wrongly pulled from the rolls, there were three and they were fixed plus, if there are any others, they can still vote using a provisional ballot, so NO ONE got disenfranchised.

As I said, they need to learn from their mistakes and fix them to avoid this kind of thing. Also, you'll note if you read the article linked above, that this was a normal procedure that is done on a regular basis and was upheld in court.
 
Virginia

Three people were found to have been incorrectly pulled form the rolls and they have been reinstated. It's not like there were 38,000 people wrongly pulled from the rolls, there were three and they were fixed plus, if there are any others, they can still vote using a provisional ballot, so NO ONE got disenfranchised.

As I said, they need to learn from their mistakes and fix them to avoid this kind of thing. Also, you'll note if you read the article linked above, that this was a normal procedure that is done on a regular basis and was upheld in court.

"The purge comes a few months after the board said it would use several databases to find voters who were now ineligible to vote, either because they had been convicted of a felony or moved out of state. ".. Hmmm I wonder what database they are using? Oh yea the one named CrossCheck which is incredibly flawed.... Virginia election officials purging almost 40,000 voters - The Washington Post
 
Ok, let's forget Jim Crow. But the article explained and I've pointed out how states are using the list - to send postcards to those on the list that require them to verify their addresses. It's guaranteed that a large number will fail that step, and because of known reasons, MORE likely that poor people will than those not poor, chiefly they're more likely to rent and change addresses.

Point me to one person who has been disenfranchised because of this list. And is the "because of known reasons" a Democrat dog whistle or something? People too dumb to return a post card?

That's fine, but the FBI guy with a list of 192,000 can't find even ONE person to charge with double voting. Not one. That's all you really need to know about the accuracy of the list.

Well yay! But wait. He has been on the job 5 months with 192,000 entries to followup on? Hmmm... how many people are under him in the investigation? How many of the 192,000 have been cleared? Since these are interstate registration issues how much jurisdiction does a contractor in NC have in, say, GA? Do you know? How many should he have caught in 5 months?

And while they have found no evidence of voter fraud, guess what? Al Jeez has also found no evidence of disenfranchisement. All Al Jeez does is talk about "potential", and funny how when they come to the potential dangers of the list they don't actually quote anyone but the goblins in the head of the author. If Crosscheck determines that the double entry is because someone moved out of state and they remove them fro the state register am I suppose to scream voter suppression?

There really isn't - point me to a single person charged with double voting caught from this list? I haven't seen any, and NC hired a person to do just that who in 5 months found NONE, but maybe there are 20, in all states, and the list is millions long.

Why is this story so familiar - lots of allegations of possible fraud, but all the evidence indicates the problem is actually trivial, at best.

You really have a problem with cleaning up election rolls, don't you?

The approach really isn't defensible when they ignore SSN, ignore middle names, and ignore Sr, and Jr. It appears they ignore birthdates and only need a match of first and last name, with a quarter of the suspected double voters classified as inactive because they haven't voted at all recently. It's just a sloppy, laughable approach, so the question is why would a state take that kind of guaranteed to be terrible approach? Are they that incompetent? It's either that or it's a way to legally kick mostly democrats off the registration lists.

You are making things up at this point. The Crosscheck creates a list of potential double votes that then must be investigate by the states. The states then weed out the entries that aren't voter fraud and clarify the residence of others that appear to have duplicate entries. This is how you update databases.

Your assumptions about what might happen is pointless hand waving.
 
"The purge comes a few months after the board said it would use several databases to find voters who were now ineligible to vote, either because they had been convicted of a felony or moved out of state. ".. Hmmm I wonder what database they are using? Oh yea the one named CrossCheck which is incredibly flawed.... Virginia election officials purging almost 40,000 voters - The Washington Post

38,000 were -purged and 37,997 of them were legitimate and the other three were reinstated and if there were any others who were erroneously purged, they can vote using a provisional ballot. Walk in integrity and show the whole story, not just the parts spoon fed to you by Al Jazeera.
 
38,000 were -purged and 37,997 of them were legitimate and the other three were reinstated and if there were any others who were erroneously purged, they can vote using a provisional ballot. Walk in integrity and show the whole story, not just the parts spoon fed to you by Al Jazeera.

Howd they get that number? Oh yea using a highly flawed database...
 
Would you rather have someone take an extra look at voting rolls that doesn't need to be made or would you rather just let anyone vote as many as times as they want to?? There's no doubt that this wasn't done well, but at least it's erring on the side of wasting time and resources and not on the side of allowing people to double-vote. You want to toss the whole mess, but that's not what is needed. Fix the problem and move on from there. Learn from the mistakes as you go and make the corrections needed, don't just dump the whole thing.

I'll just say that the article points out a non-partisan group that goes about this the right way, and the vast differences in approaches. That's the better option and I'd support that. The "try a method that is guaranteed to produce garbage out" isn't one I'd support under any circumstance. It's FAR worse than doing nothing, especially since good approaches exist and are available.
 
Howd they get that number? Oh yea using a highly flawed database...

Crosscheck identified about 300,000 potential cases and they were trimmed down to the ~38,000 that needed to be purged. This wasn't a case of Crosscheck throwing out a list and the whole list getting purged, it was a case of Crosscheck throwing out a list, the list getting reviewed and the legitimate problems getting purged. AGAIN, the whole story is substantially different than the truncated narrative you are pushing.
 
Point me to one person who has been disenfranchised because of this list. And is the "because of known reasons" a Democrat dog whistle or something? People too dumb to return a post card?

You're trying to miss the point - never said too dumb, said that poor people RENT and therefore MOVE more often so WILL NOT GET the postcard. See the difference?
Well yay! But wait. He has been on the job 5 months with 192,000 entries to followup on? Hmmm... how many people are under him in the investigation? How many of the 192,000 have been cleared? Since these are interstate registration issues how much jurisdiction does a contractor in NC have in, say, GA? Do you know? How many should he have caught in 5 months?

See, I know you're not serious. Are you telling me you'd hire someone to prosecute double voting, provide him a list with 192,000 likely fraudulent voters, and if after five months you as his boss can't go to the press with even ONE name, you think he's done his job? LMFAO. If you're honest, you KNOW you'd fire the guy, unless you don't actually expect him to find more than a handful....

And while they have found no evidence of voter fraud, guess what? Al Jeez has also found no evidence of disenfranchisement. All Al Jeez does is talk about "potential", and funny how when they come to the potential dangers of the list they don't actually quote anyone but the goblins in the head of the author. If Crosscheck determines that the double entry is because someone moved out of state and they remove them fro the state register am I suppose to scream voter suppression?

The process is bogus, and produces garbage. I'm not sure what more you need to know. And why would you support such obvious incompetence on the part of the people doing the 'match?'

You really have a problem with cleaning up election rolls, don't you?

Not at all. I just have a problem with a process to allegedly do that that is so obviously incompetent and produces predictable garbage? Ignores Jr. and Sr.? Middle names? You have to be kidding me.

You are making things up at this point. The Crosscheck creates a list of potential double votes that then must be investigate by the states. The states then weed out the entries that aren't voter fraud and clarify the residence of others that appear to have duplicate entries. This is how you update databases.

But if you are an election administrator, tell me any reason in the world you'd want a list of people whose middle names do not match? Your first step is tossing those right off the bat. Also, those with inactive registrations on one side or the other - they're not double voters. Why would you want YOUR staff to figure that out? Etc. You're defending incompetence. Not sure why.
 
You're trying to miss the point - never said too dumb, said that poor people RENT and therefore MOVE more often so WILL NOT GET the postcard. See the difference?

You are supposed to send the election board a notice of address change. Whose fault is it if the election board was not notified?


See, I know you're not serious. Are you telling me you'd hire someone to prosecute double voting, provide him a list with 192,000 likely fraudulent voters, and if after five months you as his boss can't go to the press with even ONE name, you think he's done his job? LMFAO. If you're honest, you KNOW you'd fire the guy, unless you don't actually expect him to find more than a handful....

Well, first your formulation of your statement is wrong. He was hired to check the list, not find voter fraud. If the list has found no fraud in 5 months guess what: NOBODY WAS DISENFRANCHISED.

Secondly, I guess it's because you are a Democrat, but you assume that the goal here is a political stunt, it's not. It is to verify the US voter rolls. Whether the end result is no fraud and a verfied voter list or some fraud and a verified voter list is a mission accomplished.

The process is bogus, and produces garbage. I'm not sure what more you need to know. And why would you support such obvious incompetence on the part of the people doing the 'match?'

So how many from the Crosscheck list were found to have changed addresses and failed to notify the state? Is a clean voter roll so egregious?

Not at all. I just have a problem with a process to allegedly do that that is so obviously incompetent and produces predictable garbage? Ignores Jr. and Sr.? Middle names? You have to be kidding me.

That isn't incompetent, it is what is known in data management as a first-pass. Many millions of voters were eliminated on 0 and 1 degree of correlation, 2 degrees and above were passed to the human checkers. Then the state takes these lists and pairs them down, eliminating the entries where only a few criteria match. I am more willing to level incompetence on, say, a website that dies the day it is turned on than a first-pass data clean up that contains false positives.

But if you are an election administrator, tell me any reason in the world you'd want a list of people whose middle names do not match? Your first step is tossing those right off the bat. Also, those with inactive registrations on one side or the other - they're not double voters. Why would you want YOUR staff to figure that out? Etc. You're defending incompetence. Not sure why.

Because the system checks for matches and doesn't count misspellings as matches. If you decide that 3 degrees of correlation is sufficient for a postcard then you get a list of 2 degree correlation so you can screen for data entry errors that could actually be 3+ degrees of correlation.

Hence the first pass spits out a lot of first/last name matches.

Fun Fact: The middle name on my official birth Certificate is different than my middle name on my social security card due to a screw up by the hospital. I've never really fixed it because I have gained government security clearances, loans etc. without it ever being a problem. I could, theoretically, register to vote in one state with my drivers license and social security card and register in another state with my birth certificate and my middle name would not match.

This would be especially easy living in the Washington DC area since I have 4 states and Washington DC withing an hour's drive of my home.

I don't do that, but it's possible.
 
You are supposed to send the election board a notice of address change. Whose fault is it if the election board was not notified?

You're supposed to, but very few do, especially if you're moving every 6 months or year, which is obviously more common for the poor than the wealthy.

Well, first your formulation of your statement is wrong. He was hired to check the list, not find voter fraud. If the list has found no fraud in 5 months guess what: NOBODY WAS DISENFRANCHISED.

Not what the press release from NC said. “Stuber’s focused experience will enhance our Agency’s ability to detect and combat voter fraud and violations of campaign finance law....investigate cases of possible voter fraud identified by an interstate cross-check comparing election records from 28 states."

Secondly, I guess it's because you are a Democrat, but you assume that the goal here is a political stunt, it's not. It is to verify the US voter rolls. Whether the end result is no fraud and a verfied voter list or some fraud and a verified voter list is a mission accomplished.

I assume it's a political stunt because it's been led from the beginning by a very partisan republican, Kris Kobach, and is being pursued almost entirely in red states. And at its core it's not hard at all to see that it's just another form of voter caging. Instead of registered mail, they're sending out postcards. Probably more effective than most cases of voter caging. If that's the case, lots of false positives is a feature, not a bug. Hmm....... Partisan GOPer leading an effort that identifies lots of false positives, which can be used by republican election officials to purge voters off the registration rolls.

That isn't incompetent, it is what is known in data management as a first-pass. Many millions of voters were eliminated on 0 and 1 degree of correlation, 2 degrees and above were passed to the human checkers. Then the state takes these lists and pairs them down, eliminating the entries where only a few criteria match. I am more willing to level incompetence on, say, a website that dies the day it is turned on than a first-pass data clean up that contains false positives.

I'm sorry, but I see no advantage for the 'human checkers' to bother with a list that doesn't distinguish between different middle names.

Fun Fact: The middle name on my official birth Certificate is different than my middle name on my social security card due to a screw up by the hospital. I've never really fixed it because I have gained government security clearances, loans etc. without it ever being a problem. I could, theoretically, register to vote in one state with my drivers license and social security card and register in another state with my birth certificate and my middle name would not match.

This would be especially easy living in the Washington DC area since I have 4 states and Washington DC withing an hour's drive of my home.

I don't do that, but it's possible.

Yes, but every state has a record of your vote, your SSN and birth date, your last name. And each time you'd be committing a felony. Seems to deter about 99.9999% or more of potential fraudsters.

And for some odd reason, this list of double voters has been in use since 2005. At best (from what I found) it identified 14 possible cases in Kansas, no convictions, and similar trivial amounts of possible cases, with no or less than a handful of convictions elsehwhere. So it's not identifying fraud more than the trivial. And when a partisan engages in massive efforts that generates millions of names, and almost NO cases of actual fraud, I'm wondering what the real point is. If the point is a different type of voter caging, the strategy makes sense. If it's to identify double voters and "voter fraud" it doesn't. So I go with the one that makes sense.
 
This measure seems to be highly discriminatory against double voters.

I wonder if you or anyone liking your post actually read any of that.
 
You're supposed to, but very few do, especially if you're moving every 6 months or year, which is obviously more common for the poor than the wealthy.

If they don't then IT IS THEIR FAULT, not the fault of people who have been hired to clean up the voter rolls.

Not what the press release from NC said. “Stuber’s focused experience will enhance our Agency’s ability to detect and combat voter fraud and violations of campaign finance law....investigate cases of possible voter fraud identified by an interstate cross-check comparing election records from 28 states."

And the screening has at this point found little or no double voting fraud. The left has spun this into insane, bulls*** "Jim Crow" claims. You say you want tto just ignore the "Jim Crow" thing but that won't happen. The attempts to make this a racial hot point is the real problem here, not the process to check for voter fraud.

I assume it's a political stunt because it's been led from the beginning by a very partisan republican, Kris Kobach, and is being pursued almost entirely in red states. And at its core it's not hard at all to see that it's just another form of voter caging. Instead of registered mail, they're sending out postcards. Probably more effective than most cases of voter caging. If that's the case, lots of false positives is a feature, not a bug. Hmm....... Partisan GOPer leading an effort that identifies lots of false positives, which can be used by republican election officials to purge voters off the registration rolls.

The political stunt in the left wing nut jobs screaming "JIM CROW!!" because someone wants to check the voter rolls for errors.

I'm sorry, but I see no advantage for the 'human checkers' to bother with a list that doesn't distinguish between different middle names.

It is a first pass screening. It isn't supposed to do anything other than filter out the very low correlation data. I'm sorry you don't understand how the process works.

Yes, but every state has a record of your vote, your SSN and birth date, your last name. And each time you'd be committing a felony. Seems to deter about 99.9999% or more of potential fraudsters.

Maybe, but it is a really wierd thing for you to say since you seem so vehemently opposed to confirming that is the case.

And for some odd reason, this list of double voters has been in use since 2005. At best (from what I found) it identified 14 possible cases in Kansas, no convictions, and similar trivial amounts of possible cases, with no or less than a handful of convictions elsehwhere. So it's not identifying fraud more than the trivial. And when a partisan engages in massive efforts that generates millions of names, and almost NO cases of actual fraud, I'm wondering what the real point is. If the point is a different type of voter caging, the strategy makes sense. If it's to identify double voters and "voter fraud" it doesn't. So I go with the one that makes sense.

The problem, JasperL, is that regular routine screening of voter eligibility, when regular and routine, will not turn up a lot of voter fraud because it is regular and routine. It's like bitching that there are security guards at a bank when it has never been robbed.
 
If they don't then IT IS THEIR FAULT, not the fault of people who have been hired to clean up the voter rolls.

Yes, technically it is their fault, but that's not a fault that is IMO sufficient to kick someone off the rolls, particularly how they do it - with a post card, and no follow up. The details do matter, and you're dismissing the details as irrelevant.

And the screening has at this point found little or no double voting fraud. The left has spun this into insane, bulls*** "Jim Crow" claims. You say you want tto just ignore the "Jim Crow" thing but that won't happen. The attempts to make this a racial hot point is the real problem here, not the process to check for voter fraud.

Goodness, I can disagree with the policy without agreeing to how AJ characterized it. Give me a break. Whether the process to "check for voter fraud" is bullcrap or legitimate does not hinge on how one news outlet characterized the motives of those putting it in place.

The political stunt in the left wing nut jobs screaming "JIM CROW!!" because someone wants to check the voter rolls for errors.

You asked why I suspected something other than 'voter fraud' was the motivation, and I answered. You ignored the answer.

And, again, checking the voter rolls for errors is fantastic, but a process that produces 99% or more false positives is a BS way to do it.

It is a first pass screening. It isn't supposed to do anything other than filter out the very low correlation data. I'm sorry you don't understand how the process works.

If I'm election list boss, why would I want my staff having to manually reject John Milton Smith from Overland Park Kansas and John Jay Smith from Wilmington NC as likely double voters? They're different people, but the list would treat them as possible double voters. If I can't reject those, then why should I reject voters with different FIRST names as potentially fraudulent? Or different spellings of last name?

Maybe, but it is a really wierd thing for you to say since you seem so vehemently opposed to confirming that is the case.

I am not opposed to 'confirming' it. If that list was JUST used to investigate the nearly non-existent cases of double voting, I'd be fine with it. As a taxpayer I'd think it's a waste of money to hire a presumably well qualified FBI retiree (gotta cost $100k/year, plus at least double that for staff and benefits, just to get started) who can't use that list to find EVEN ONE case of 'voter fraud' but there are worse ways to waste taxpayer money.

But they're using the list to voter cage. Not investigate fraud.

The problem, JasperL, is that regular routine screening of voter eligibility, when regular and routine, will not turn up a lot of voter fraud because it is regular and routine. It's like bitching that there are security guards at a bank when it has never been robbed.

Uhh... no. If the 'regular screening using the BS list is what prevents fraud, then we'd see lots of prosecutions in the first year or two, and they'd drop off because of the deterrent threat or because registrations were cleaned up and people who moved were dumped off the old rolls. There is no evidence of that - states who use the list don't find fraud, at the beginning, the middle or the end. At best they do some house cleaning, and in the meantime based on the article are kicking people off the rolls on the basis of ONE postcard and whether it's returned or not.
 
Just to be clear, efforts to clean up registrations and the rest are fantastic. If the states used this outfit, I'd support them 100%. According to AJ, in Washington ERIC got a list of suspected problem registrations of 37,000 compared to more than 370,000 for the Cross Check. It's probably because ERIC requires hits on things other than first and last name and therefore generates likely GOOD names and not garbage.

It's also notable that participants in ERIC have to pledge to use the list to ADD people to the registration rolls, after notifying them, etc. So the process isn't a one way - kick as many off as possible - exercise. It includes INCREASING the number of registered voters.

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