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    Re: Jim Crow returns Millions of minority voters threatened by electoral purge

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Over 41,000 have been removed from Virginia as the article states...

    Which was done by the local BoEs after doing their own checking. Same would have been done if they were given a random sample of names.

    Therefore, if you think there is a problem with any of the 41k removals in Virginia, you need to ask each BoE for the rules they used to remove them.

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    Re: Jim Crow returns Millions of minority voters threatened by electoral purge

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    The GOP is no friend of democracy.
    The bull**** is strong with this one.

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    Re: Jim Crow returns Millions of minority voters threatened by electoral purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Which was done by the local BoEs after doing their own checking.
    Based off a deeply flaud system.

    Same would have been done if they were given a random sample of names.

    Therefore, if you think there is a problem with any of the 41k removals in Virginia, you need to ask each BoE for the rules they used to remove them.
    Umm the whole CrossCheck system is incredibly flaud, as the whole article pointed out and Virginia used that system to determine who stays and is removed from the voting rolls.


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    Re: Jim Crow returns Millions of minority voters threatened by electoral purge

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Not only that, if you saw what I posted earlier my husband, a minority democrat, just suddenly had his voting place moved after 8+ years of voting with no notification. When I saw your article and remembered I was wondering why we didn't get our usual voter card, I decided to look it up real quick and saw his place was moved while mine, a minority independent, still remained at the same place. Just makes you wonder why two people from the same exact address would suddenly have one of them moved with no notice just prior to a hot election when back in May during the primaries, he was still at the same place as me. Not exactly the same as this double voting issue but still kind of on topic.
    Was that for the primaries? I won't speak for all place, but I believe that some will have separate primary voting places for the different parties? I'm just info gathering at this point not making a guess as to what happened.
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    Re: Jim Crow returns Millions of minority voters threatened by electoral purge

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Based off a deeply flaud system.


    Umm the whole CrossCheck system is incredibly flaud, as the whole article pointed out and Virginia used that system to determine who stays and is removed from the voting rolls.
    Like I said, if I gave Virginia 50k random names, a % of those would be found to have problems on the roles. Its an indictment of the status of the existing voter roles, which have little to no regular maintenance.

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    Re: Jim Crow returns Millions of minority voters threatened by electoral purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Your article doesn't say they will, nor can you show that anyone was removed.

    Show me where a Secretary of State, of any of the 28 states that use this program, has actually removed someone from the voter roles due to this program's information.
    The article says Georgia used the list to send out a postcard, asking the recipient to return the card verifying their registration. And what anyone with any sense knows are several things pointed out in the article - most of us ignore postcards as the junk they are 99% of the time, so there's a very, very good chance the card will be overlooked and not returned. Also, the person may have moved, and never get the card, and the poor who rent are far more likely to move than those with a home, the card lost in the mail, etc. And there is no follow up - no phone call, not letter, no nothing.

    The whole point of something like this is to add any step that voters you don't want to vote to have to take before they can cast a ballot. If you make those voters take an additional step, you KNOW many will not or cannot for various reasons, and they won't vote. So the only real problem is designing a process that makes the other party's voters do this more often than your own, which the list does - minorities are over represented by about 550,000 on the lists in VA, NC and GA, and whites under represented by about 550k. The numbers are staggering - hundreds of thousands in the states examined. If 400,000 post cards are mailed based on bogus matches of double voting, 80% return the card, that's 80,000 removed from the rolls. If the split is 60 democrats/40 republicans, you've just removed a net 16,000 likely democrats from the rolls.

    Sheesh, this is how ELECTION fraud works, it's done by consultants in suits and white shirts making $1,000 an hour to legally tilt the process in favor or their candidates. And not one conservative on here applauding photo ID rules seems to have the slightest problem with error ridden lists being used to purge registered voters off the rolls.

    Besides, the reason you know this is BS is there has never been any actual use of the "double voting" list to prosecute more than a handful of people. The article talks about NC - they have a list of nearly 200k and have prosecuted NO ONE. NOT ONE VOTER.

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    Re: Jim Crow returns Millions of minority voters threatened by electoral purge

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Great article but this is the biggest thing that stuck out to me:

    Read more @: Jim Crow returns Millions of minority voters threatened by electoral purge

    This is a great article. Too bad none of this is actually a criminal offense. The GOP loves these actions, because its simple, they are taking away people who will not vote for them. The GOP is no friend of democracy.
    The article makes good suggestions and assumptions, but does not give us enough information to know for sure that someone is really being excluded from voting based on faulty information. What we know is the cross check is designed to ensure someone is not living in one State, voting in that State, then voting in some other State as well. Checking for this makes good sense, and we know with some degree of certainty we have an issue with voter tracking State to State. What I do find suspect is the States we are talking about at the time of the article, but still we need more information before drawing the conclusion that Republicans are purposefully removing votes just cause.

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    Re: Jim Crow returns Millions of minority voters threatened by electoral purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    So you get it fixed at the polling station. Happens all the time.

    But this is fraud karma, pure and simple.
    That's not actually how it works. If you are purged from the rolls, you at best can cast a provisional ballot, which requires you to make a visit to the elections board within a few days and prove that you were properly registered, didn't vote twice, aren't registered and voted in VA or whatever reason it was that you were purged. That's a difficult and time consuming task, and you only have a few days. Lots CANNOT take that time off from work, or if they did would cost them money for lost hours. So many won't do it, or cannot do it.

    And it's just one more step that people have to take to get their vote counted, which is the point. If 'your' people have to take 100,000 fewer steps than the other side, you win the game, because when you add a step, some percentage of voters will not or cannot take that step.

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    Re: Jim Crow returns Millions of minority voters threatened by electoral purge

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Which is a huge problem. Possibly and most likely already disenfranchised voters who have done nothing wrong.
    That's interesting. Can you demonstrate that?

    Because as the article states: "Mark Swedlund is a specialist in list analytics whose clients have included eBay, AT&T and Nike. At Al Jazeera America’s request, he conducted a statistical review of Crosscheck’s three lists of suspected double voters. According to Swedlund, “It appears that Crosscheck does have inherent bias to over-selecting for potential scrutiny and purging voters from Asian, Hispanic and Black ethnic groups. In fact, the matching methodology, which presumes people in other states with the same name are matches, will always over-select from groups of people with common surnames.” Swedlund sums up the method for finding two-state voters — simply matching first and last name — as “ludicrous, just crazy.”
    Precisely. You are arguing that a system designed (if imperfectly) to catch double voters is catching lots of blacks.

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    Re: Jim Crow returns Millions of minority voters threatened by electoral purge

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    The article makes good suggestions and assumptions, but does not give us enough information to know for sure that someone is really being excluded from voting based on faulty information. What we know is the cross check is designed to ensure someone is not living in one State, voting in that State, then voting in some other State as well. Checking for this makes good sense, and we know with some degree of certainty we have an issue with voter tracking State to State. What I do find suspect is the States we are talking about at the time of the article, but still we need more information before drawing the conclusion that Republicans are purposefully removing votes just cause.
    It might make good sense, but not when all you're using to check is first and last name. It's guaranteed to generate 100s of thousands of false positives, which is a feature, not a bug, of the process.

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