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    Re: Jim Crow returns Millions of minority voters threatened by electoral purge

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Thanks for reading the article! Can already tell you didnt.
    Do you deny that my statement is true?

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    Re: Jim Crow returns Millions of minority voters threatened by electoral purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    This measure seems to be highly discriminatory against double voters.
    Yeah. Seems like there are plenty of people to pick on other than potential felons.
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    Re: Jim Crow returns Millions of minority voters threatened by electoral purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Do you deny that my statement is true?
    Yes I deny your statement is true. Its incredibly broad and unfounded. People from both parties have double voted at one amount in time. Your comment is a sweeping generalization.


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    Re: Jim Crow returns Millions of minority voters threatened by electoral purge

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    They will be removed for testing false positive.
    Your article doesn't say they will, nor can you show that anyone was removed.

    Show me where a Secretary of State, of any of the 28 states that use this program, has actually removed someone from the voter roles due to this program's information.

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    Re: Jim Crow returns Millions of minority voters threatened by electoral purge

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yes I deny your statement is true. Its incredibly broad and unfounded. People from both parties have double voted at one amount in time. Your comment is a sweeping generalization.
    Yet only one party supports the behavior.

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    Re: Jim Crow returns Millions of minority voters threatened by electoral purge

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    1.) The dataset is incredibly flawed. Leaning on false positives. "Crosscheck is incredibly broad with a strong bias toward removing people from the rolls. And the means for verifying voter identity—sending postcards to addresses on file—puts the burden of proof on individual voters and is almost designed to take people off the rolls; with false positives and duplicate names, there’s no guarantee that anyone gets their verification card, to say nothing of voters who have moved or don’t have a permanent address." Al Jazeera America’s reveals massive GOP voter suppression effort: Millions of minorities are being purged from voter rolls ahead of midterm elections.

    2.)As the article states: "The three states’ lists are heavily weighted with names such as Jackson, Garcia, Patel and Kim — ones common among minorities, who vote overwhelmingly Democratic. Indeed, fully 1 in 7 African-Americans in those 27 states, plus the state of Washington (which enrolled in Crosscheck but has decided not to utilize the results), are listed as under suspicion of having voted twice. This also applies to 1 in 8 Asian-Americans and 1 in 8 Hispanic voters. White voters too — 1 in 11 — are at risk of having their names scrubbed from the voter rolls, though not as vulnerable as minorities." Jim Crow returns | Al Jazeera America
    Yes. You have demonstrated that there may be problems with the criteria, and that a minority of the names selected may in fact be guilty of nothing. However, unless you wish to argue that black people are more likely to share each others' name (and that would be false - blacks are, in fact, more likely to have unique names) to such a massive degree as to swamp the system with a disproportionate number of false positives (and that would violate the math that you have posted), you are left arguing that a system designed to catch double voters is overwhelmingly catching blacks.

    So, why are you arguing that?

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    Re: Jim Crow returns Millions of minority voters threatened by electoral purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Your article doesn't say they will, nor can you show that anyone was removed.
    3rd sentence of the article: "Already, tens of thousands have been removed in at least one battleground state, and the numbers are expected to climb, according to a six-month-long, nationwide investigation by Al Jazeera America."

    Show me where a Secretary of State, of any of the 28 states that use this program, has actually removed someone from the voter roles due to this program's information.
    "Based on the Crosscheck lists, officials have begun the process of removing names from the rolls — beginning with 41,637 in Virginia alone. Yet the criteria used for matching these double voters are disturbingly inadequate."


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    Re: Jim Crow returns Millions of minority voters threatened by electoral purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Double voters also mainly vote Democrat.
    Your evidence of this? Why should I believe this statement anymore than DS' statement that such programs are meant to disenfranchise black voters?
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    Re: Jim Crow returns Millions of minority voters threatened by electoral purge

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yes. You have demonstrated that there may be problems with the criteria, and that a minority of the names selected may in fact be guilty of nothing.
    Which is a huge problem. Possibly and most likely already disenfranchised voters who have done nothing wrong.


    So, why are you arguing that?
    Because as the article states: "Mark Swedlund is a specialist in list analytics whose clients have included eBay, AT&T and Nike. At Al Jazeera America’s request, he conducted a statistical review of Crosscheck’s three lists of suspected double voters. According to Swedlund, “It appears that Crosscheck does have inherent bias to over-selecting for potential scrutiny and purging voters from Asian, Hispanic and Black ethnic groups. In fact, the matching methodology, which presumes people in other states with the same name are matches, will always over-select from groups of people with common surnames.” Swedlund sums up the method for finding two-state voters — simply matching first and last name — as “ludicrous, just crazy.”


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    Re: Jim Crow returns Millions of minority voters threatened by electoral purge

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    3rd sentence of the article: "Already, tens of thousands have been removed in at least one battleground state, and the numbers are expected to climb, according to a six-month-long, nationwide investigation by Al Jazeera America."


    "Based on the Crosscheck lists, officials have begun the process of removing names from the rolls — beginning with 41,637 in Virginia alone. Yet the criteria used for matching these double voters are disturbingly inadequate."
    You do realize, that the Virginia process is to investigate each name on their own, right?

    Its not a "delete * from registration where name in ( crosscheck_list )" command

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