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    Pope says evolution, Big Bang are real

    Pope says evolution, Big Bang are real

    VATICAN CITY — Pope Francis has waded into the controversial debate over the origins of human life, saying the big bang theory did not contradict the role of a divine creator, but even required it.
    This should cause some interesting discussions

    More here:
    Pope Francis declares ... God isn't 'a magician with a magic wand'

    and here:
    Pope Francis:

    Unlike much of evangelical Protestantism in the U.S., Catholic teaching traditionally has not been at odds with evolution. In 1950, Pope Pius XII proclaimed there was no opposition between evolution and Catholic doctrine. In 1996, St. John Paul II endorsed Pius’ statement
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    Re: Pope says evolution, Big Bang are real

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    This should cause some interesting discussions

    More here:
    Pope Francis declares ... God isn't 'a magician with a magic wand'

    and here:
    God cause it all to happen. Nothing new about that discussion.
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    Re: Pope says evolution, Big Bang are real

    Whew! [wipes sweat off forehead]. I was really on the fence about those!

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    Re: Pope says evolution, Big Bang are real

    Science does not negate the existence of God. Evolution and/or Big bang, acknowledging them, has no bearing at all on the existence of God.
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    Re: Pope says evolution, Big Bang are real

    Anyway, Pope John Paul beat him to the punch (at least with evolution):

    Pope John Paul II issued a statement this week saying new research shows that physical evolution is "more than just a theory," a significant step beyond the Catholic Church's pronouncement nearly 50 years ago that evolution was worthy of discussion but still an open question.
    Evolution Is 'More Than Just a Theory,' Pope Declares - Los Angeles Times

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    Re: Pope says evolution, Big Bang are real

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Whew! [wipes sweat off forehead]. I was really on the fence about those!
    Did you leave a mess again?

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    Re: Pope says evolution, Big Bang are real

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    This should cause some interesting discussions

    More here:
    Pope Francis declares ... God isn't 'a magician with a magic wand'

    and here:
    This comes as breaking news to all non-Catholics, apparently? This has been the long standing position of the Catholic Church.

    Likewise the non-Catholic world popped their collective monocle when the pope said that God was not divine, proving that non-Catholics are unfamiliar with the word "divine" as used in Church doctrine. Divine meaning "Of God" or "from God" rather than interchangeable with "The Creator". In Catholic terminology calling God "divine" is like saying the watchmaker is a watch.
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    Re: Pope says evolution, Big Bang are real

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Science does not negate the existence of God. Evolution and/or Big bang, acknowledging them, has no bearing at all on the existence of God.
    Of course, there is NO evidence of the "existence" of ANY 'god', much less the one you probably have in mind. (that is contradictory to most/at least 3/4 of the other gods/religions such as the Hindu god/s etc)
    And of course, Some 'gods' and interpretations of them, ARE contradicted by evolution.
    That very debate comes up alot in the philosophy section.
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    Re: Pope says evolution, Big Bang are real

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    This comes as breaking news to all non-Catholics, apparently? This has been the long standing position of the Catholic Church.
    Benedict also seemed to be down with the Big Bang as well. I take Francis to be reaffirming that the church is still cool with science for the most part. You know, just for those who might be wondering if a change in pope meant science might stop existing or something.

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    Re: Pope says evolution, Big Bang are real

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Benedict also seemed to be down with the Big Bang as well. I take Francis to be reaffirming that the church is still cool with science for the most part. You know, just for those who might be wondering if a change in pope meant science might stop existing or something.
    Well, as I see it, Francis is making news in restating Church positions because a lot of people see him as more liberal when in fact he is not diverging from Church positions in the slightest.

    It seems to be a special skill that Pope Francis has of stating the Church position in a way that sounds fresh to a lot of people.
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