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Pope says evolution, Big Bang are real

calamity said:
nonsense. Please point out said "holes" in TOE.
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In the most rudimentary of terms, there's not a stitch of proof that an amoeba turned into a fish, which turned into a lizard, which turned into a dog, which turned into a horse. There is no proof that genomes have changed from simple organisms into more complicated ones.

That's why it can't shake that bothersome word, "Theory".
 
Erod said:
In the most rudimentary of terms, there's not a stitch of proof that an amoeba turned into a fish, which turned into a lizard, which turned into a dog, which turned into a horse. There is no proof that genomes have changed from simple organisms into more complicated ones.

That's why it can't shake that bothersome word, "Theory".
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You don't know what you're talking about. An amoeba does not turn into a fish. And, you clearly have no clue what "theory" means.
 
Jetboogieman said:
No, your rebuttal against Evolution has the depth of a Crayon drawing in Kindergarten.

Evolution is fact.

Period.

It does not attempt to explain the origins of life, but it explains how life came to be as it is today.
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I know your support group tells you so, but no, it does not.

The real truth in all this - scientifically and otherwise- will be vastly more complex than such a poorly refined theory as evolution. Evolution will be a mere footnote to the reality of it all.

And regardless of what it is, evolution or otherwise, it had to have the hand of a supernatural force in order to begin. THAT is a fact.
 
calamity said:
You don't know what you're talking about. An amoeba does not turn into a fish. And, you clearly have no clue what "theory" means.
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Hyperbole a bit much for you, I understand.
 
Fenton said:
It has yet to explain the origins of man.

In that sense, Evolution is still a THEORY.
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Gravity is also a theory, but I don't see you chucking yourself off the Grand Canyon to stick it to the Athiests.

Humans evolved from an earlier species.

This is categorical.

But nah, we have to go with this idea as to not offend the Christians:

 
Erod said:
I know your support group tells you so, but no, it does not.

The real truth in all this - scientifically and otherwise- will be vastly more complex than such a poorly refined theory as evolution. Evolution will be a mere footnote to the reality of it all.

And regardless of what it is, evolution or otherwise, it had to have the hand of a supernatural force in order to begin. THAT is a fact.
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A supernatural force is not out of the question.

But it is not fact because it has not been definitively proven.

You have no credibility to say what you're saying about Evolution.

It is not a poorly refined theory, it has been studied and corroborated by literally mountains of evidence the prove, definitively that it is a real phenomena.

Evolution denial is absolute nonsense and driven solely by a very unhealthy ideological insanity.
 
The Pope needed to say these things. Be honest here, consider the consequence if the Pope went with say Paul Broun's typical response about science, evolution, the big bang, and other discovery... "all lies straight from the pit of hell."
 
The big bang is hogwash... it's the religion of cosmology.
 
Erod said:
In the most rudimentary of terms, there's not a stitch of proof that an amoeba turned into a fish, which turned into a lizard, which turned into a dog, which turned into a horse. There is no proof that genomes have changed from simple organisms into more complicated ones.

That's why it can't shake that bothersome word, "Theory".
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From your response one can assume you either never took a basic science course in high school or you totally ignored the teacher because you already 'knew' the Truth.

As used in science, a theory is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena.
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Jetboogieman said:
A supernatural force is not out of the question.

But it is not fact because it has not been definitively proven.

You have no credibility to say what you're saying about Evolution.

It is not a poorly refined theory, it has been studied and corroborated by literally mountains of evidence the prove, definitively that it is a real phenomena.

Evolution denial is absolute nonsense and driven solely by a very unhealthy ideological insanity.
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I didn't say Evolution doesn't carry truths. However, it's a very basic theory that makes too many wild leaps with little to no hard evidence. Logic both supports and fails different parts of the theory.

The bottom line is this: whatever the explanation or theory or process, how did it begin, and what created the laws of science for it to unfold?
 
Erod said:
it's a very basic theory that makes too many wild leaps with little to no hard evidence.
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That is absolute nonsense, again informed only by an ideological need to refute science because it doesn't gel perfectly with your flimsy religion.
 
Somerville said:
From your response one can assume you either never took a basic science course in high school or you totally ignored the teacher because you already 'knew' the Truth.
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Wow, you just can't get past hyperbole as a conversational point.

A theory is also a reasoned guess in everyday language, which I theorized would pass the "get it" test, but apparently did not. I didn't mean to offend your religious, evolutionary sensibilities and send you reaching for a scientific dictionary.
 
Jetboogieman said:
That is absolute nonsense, again informed only by an ideological need to refute science because it doesn't gel perfectly with your flimsy religion.
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My Christian faith absolutely allows for evolution as a process of creation.

Your "religion" doesn't allow for creation as a process for evolution.

So tell me who's less open-minded?
 
Erod said:
A theory is also a reasoned guess in everyday language,
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Evolution is not a reasoned guess. It's a theory in the scientific definition of the term. It is supported by mountains of scientific evidence and forms the basis of the modern understanding of biology.

Claiming there is little evidence or that there are breaks in logic is simply BS.
 
ecofarm said:
Evolution is not a reasoned guess. It's a theory in the scientific definition of the term. It is supported by mountains of scientific evidence and forms the basis of the modern understanding of biology.

Claiming there is little evidence or that there are breaks in logic is simply BS.
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OK, well let me know when you find all those pesky transitional fossils, and I'd like a good explanation of where that original set of DNA came from.
 
Erod said:
OK, well let me know when you find all those pesky transitional fossils, and I'd like a good explanation of where that original set of DNA came from.
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Transitional fossils are everywhere. We can observe the evolution of man from ape over the course of millions of years through an unbroken sequence of fossils. The claim of "missing transitions" is a myth perpetuated by religious fanatics.

Regarding the original set of DNA, evolution makes no attempt whatsoever to explain that. The origin of life is NOT part of the theory of evolution.
 
Erod said:
Wow, you just can't get past hyperbole as a conversational point.

A theory is also a reasoned guess in everyday language, which I theorized would pass the "get it" test, but apparently did not. I didn't mean to offend your religious, evolutionary sensibilities and send you reaching for a scientific dictionary.
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Aw - denial - the fallback position when shown to be wrong, nevermind, moving on ....
 
Somerville said:
... and you KNOW this or you BELIEVE this to be true? because?
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Saying that the big bang is hogwash is not a belief. It's a negative statement. I can't believe in something that I have not witnessed to be true for myself.

The big bang is a theory, not a proven fact. They recently discovered that some aspects of the universe are expanding at different rates than others. The idea that the universe has an origin point is unproven. The big bang theory is science's creation story, nothing more.
 
Northern Light said:
Saying that the big bang is hogwash is not a belief. It's a negative statement. I can't believe in something that I have not witnessed to be true for myself.
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So, the American Revolution may not have occurred or nobody dropped an nuclear bomb on two Japanese cities because you "have not witnessed" said events?
 
Erod said:
Once again, atheists fail to acknowledge that the vast majority of Christians accept science in all its forms
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Not quite.

These beliefs differ strongly by religious group. White evangelical Protestants are particularly likely to believe that humans have existed in their present form since the beginning of time. Roughly two-thirds (64%) express this view, as do half of black Protestants (50%). By comparison, only 15% of white mainline Protestants share this opinion.

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Erod said:
LOL, wow.

You're way of thinking has been around for about as long as spit in a bucket. Liberals always seem to think history began the day they were born.

So yes, the Catholic church has been around for a rather long time. Good point. LOL
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Well, gee, I think I knew it's been around for a while. However it hasn't been at the forefront of science rejection a good chunk of the 20th century as well as this one.
 
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