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    Re: Pope says evolution, Big Bang are real

    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    In what way does the truth of the Big Bang disprove that God formed the Earth?

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    The facts do not support this assertion:

    1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

    3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
    THe sun was shining long before the earth was formed. Light came first...about 10 billion years before our sun was even formed.

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    Re: Pope says evolution, Big Bang are real

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    I'm amazed at the level of Scientific ignorance exhibited by those on the left.
    Oh so now I'm a member of the left, for no particular reason? Lulz... tell me another joke so I can laugh.

    I'm aware of the circumstantial evidence they've collected to formulate the cosmological theory of the big bang. I don't find it terribly concrete, given that we are one tiny little spec in the universe staring out into something that we don't yet even understand. I'm aware of red shifting, thermodynamics, dark matter and gravity waves -- so stop lecturing me like I know nothing. I'm saying that, in light of all that evidence, I do not believe the big bang theory is provable... because all we have are limited human minds in a confined space to determine what all of this means, and every 10 years the understanding changes. For instance, Hawkings recently said that black holes may not actually exist, and half his career in cosmology was based on postulating mathematical theories about black holes!

    Big bang is a creation myth like any other. If all you look for is positive proof of it, then it's all you'll find, much like how people look for God in everything. I find that scientists become tellingly unobjective when discussing the big bang. They can prove everything up to the point of the big bang at which point they ask us to just take their word for it. No thank you.

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    Re: Pope says evolution, Big Bang are real

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    The facts do not support this assertion:



    THe sun was shining long before the earth was formed. Light came first...about 10 billion years before our sun was even formed.
    Yes, taking a literal reading of Genesis is factually inaccurate. But such a reading is not required, it's not even really the norm.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Pope says evolution, Big Bang are real

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Oh so now I'm a member of the left, for no particular reason? Lulz... tell me another joke so I can laugh.

    I'm aware of the circumstantial evidence they've collected to formulate the cosmological theory of the big bang. I don't find it terribly concrete, given that we are one tiny little spec in the universe staring out into something that we don't yet even understand. I'm aware of red shifting, thermodynamics, dark matter and gravity waves -- so stop lecturing me like I know nothing. I'm saying that, in light of all that evidence, I do not believe the big bang theory is provable... because all we have are limited human minds in a confined space to determine what all of this means, and every 10 years the understanding changes. For instance, Hawkings recently said that black holes may not actually exist, and half his career in cosmology was based on postulating mathematical theories about black holes!

    Big bang is a creation myth like any other. If all you look for is positive proof of it, then it's all you'll find, much like how people look for God in everything. I find that scientists become tellingly unobjective when discussing the big bang. They can prove everything up to the point of the big bang at which point they ask us to just take their word for it. No thank you.
    You've contradicted yourself. You acknowledge varying lines of evidence, and then call it a "creation myth."

    So, am I to take it that in your opinion, you either have absolute proof or a myth, and nothing in between?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Pope says evolution, Big Bang are real

    Calamity: Ok, now you're moving the goalposts. You said that the Big Bang (at least I assume that's what BB stands for in this context) disproves that God formed the Earth, not that the account given in Genesis is factually inaccurate. Is it possible that God formed the Earth, but that the Genesis account is incorrect in detail?

    -AJF

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    Re: Pope says evolution, Big Bang are real

    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    Calamity: Ok, now you're moving the goalposts. You said that the Big Bang (at least I assume that's what BB stands for in this context) disproves that God formed the Earth, not that the account given in Genesis is factually inaccurate. Is it possible that God formed the Earth, but that the Genesis account is incorrect in detail?

    -AJF
    Gravity formed the earth from the remnants of a supernova of a star which was formed by the debris of the big bang. Sheesh. Don't you people know anything about astrophysics?

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    Re: Pope says evolution, Big Bang are real

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You've contradicted yourself. You acknowledge varying lines of evidence, and then call it a "creation myth."

    So, am I to take it that in your opinion, you either have absolute proof or a myth, and nothing in between?
    This isn't even worth arguing over. Believe what you want. Our paltry lives continue to turn here on planet earth.

    I'm saying I don't believe in the big bang, just deal with it and move on.

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    Re: Pope says evolution, Big Bang are real

    I suppose that, if you look at things really objectively, big bang, evolution and god are all theories. None are proven beyond doubt. Evolution has more observable evidence than the others and is probably the most certain of the three but the truth is they are all theories. I don't see how any of them disprove the other two logically. As an example, if you want to define god, just figure out what was there before the big bang. That might be a good definition in my view.

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    Re: Pope says evolution, Big Bang are real

    As a catholic I have a lot of issues with the church but one shining plus is our priests and other clerics are very educated and in fact some are actually respected scientists in their own right.

    List of Roman Catholic cleric-scientists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    If some of the hillybilly self ordained fundamentalists would at least have some education there would be less idiotic conclusions on evolution and the origin of man and they would probably be a little less judgemental.

    It just blows me away the people thst still believe the earth is 6000 years old and man walked with the dinosaurs.
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    Re: Pope says evolution, Big Bang are real

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    I suppose that, if you look at things really objectively, big bang, evolution and god are all theories. None are proven beyond doubt. Evolution has more observable evidence than the others and is probably the most certain of the three but the truth is they are all theories. I don't see how any of them disprove the other two logically. As an example, if you want to define god, just figure out what was there before the big bang. That might be a good definition in my view.
    The moving golapost version of God perhaps. But, what is commonly perceived to be the definition of God is that dude in the Bible--the Adam and Eve molder, the Noah's Ark big flood maker, the burning bush which handed Moses two clay tablets--that one has been all but proven to not exist.

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