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    Re: "" style="box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; vertical-align: bottom;"> "" styl

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Without me, there is no Xbox because there is no customer. Without that demand, there's no reason to supply anything. The Xbox can just as easily be a playstation or a tennis racket. The product is interchangeable, the demand is not.

    And who really fills that demand?

    Everyone. Everyone does. The business owner is not some special being floating above it all. They're another cog in the machine. The people in the fields growing tomatoes and raising cattle, the truck driver who delivers the fruit and meat, and the people who toss it on a grill and make a burger are all filling the demand.

    You think without your efforts, I wouldn't be entertained? Nobody else could make an Xbox or a tennis racket? Laughable.
    Yet for thousands of years of human history, nobody did. Look, your undefined want for entertainment doesn't create crap and doesn't hire a single human being. It is the inventor and the producer that comes up with an idea that hires people to build and distribute it, that risks his capital that matters. You whims and wishes and wants are simply part of human nature. Without someone thinking, creating, producing and hiring, you are left entertaining yourself watching grass grow.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton slams trickle-down economics, 'business' doesn't create jobs?

    Oh and the Xbox would exist without you. Your contribution to the creation and production of that particular product is zero. The idea that you can claim some role in the creative and productive process by virtue of some innate desire is absurd, and more than likely just the result of some peculiar desire for relevance even if that relevance comes second hand.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton slams trickle-down economics, 'business' doesn't create jobs?

    I see merit in both sides of the demand/supply discussion. Of course there is demand for general things that exists before products are created. In the Xbox example, there is a demand for interactive electronic gaming. In essence, there is demand for a *better* "Playstation" or a better "Atari", so companies provide an answer for that demand. The first game console was created because there was a demand for simple-to-use, bug-free "computer games". Electronic games were created to fill a demand for gaming with a always-ready opponent. And so forth, on back. BUT...

    The individual products are created by companies, and that does create demand for that *specific* product. Demand for iPhones vs. Android phones is a good example. Yes, both fulfill the general demand for smartphones, but people are able to infer enough difference in the two products that now, instead of just simply demanding a "smartphone", they quite vociferously demand an iPhone or a Samsung Galaxy S-series phone, or something else. That specific demand is created by the companies when they give their products different specs from their competitors. That holds for *any* product except the most generic, and even milk and drinking water and table salt sometimes inspire brand loyalty.

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    Re: "" style="box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; vertical-align: bottom;"> "" styl

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Millionth time this thread has been posted.

    Taken out of context and bad idea to pursue.

    Same with "what difference does it make"

    and "you didn't build that"

    It'll blow up in your face, because you'll end up doing something stupid like hosting a Republican National convention under the auspices of "We built that" in a stadium built with public money...

    I don't know who would do something that stupid...
    It's so out of context and wrong, that she's back pedaling faster than a circus clown. Hillary Clinton slams trickle-down economics, 'business' doesn't create jobs?
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    Re: Hillary Clinton slams trickle-down economics, 'business' doesn't create jobs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Oh and the Xbox would exist without you. Your contribution to the creation and production of that particular product is zero. The idea that you can claim some role in the creative and productive process by virtue of some innate desire is absurd, and more than likely just the result of some peculiar desire for relevance even if that relevance comes second hand.
    Yes, the interpretation that I personally and alone am responsible for the Xbox seems like a reasonable interpretation of that statement.

    Since we're doing that game now, you seem to believe that if the human race went extinct except for Microsoft employees, they still would have invented the Xbox!
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton slams trickle-down economics, 'business' doesn't create jobs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    It works when you incentivize private sector investment.

    Not speculation and savings, which is what happens when Liberal economic principles like stimulus for the purpose of " increasing aggregate demand " are implemented.

    And how would you know whether or not " trickle down " works or not ?

    You clearly don't understand it.
    Just look at the American economy since 1980. The rich have gotten richer by considerable numbers where as the middle class and poor have relatively barely moved. This is a statistical fact. The idea of trickle down economics is that by making the rich more wealthy, then they would "trickle down" that wealth by investing the money and hiring more people.. they clearly have not and are not.
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    Re: Hillary Clinton slams trickle-down economics, 'business' doesn't create jobs?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    " Hillary Clinton*is making the news this weekend based on a controversial quote she stated — that businesses and corporations don’t create*jobs.*"

    Hillary Clinton slams trickle-down economics, 'business' doesn't create jobs? - Chicago Top News | Examiner.com

    So, here we go again...business doesn't create jobs...what a joke.
    She also said a couple of years ago that "people are too stupid to know whats good for themselves that's why we need government."

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    Re: "" style="box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; vertical-align: bottom;"> "" styl

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I find the thread title unnecessarily incendiary.
    Of course you do....

    Using your own ****ing brain is too difficult for you.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton slams trickle-down economics, 'business' doesn't create jobs?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Just look at the American economy since 1980. The rich have gotten richer by considerable numbers where as the middle class and poor have relatively barely moved. This is a statistical fact. The idea of trickle down economics is that by making the rich more wealthy, then they would "trickle down" that wealth by investing the money and hiring more people.. they clearly have not and are not.
    Maybe the "poor" blow their money on useless **** instead of investing it?

    Maybe you cant even quantize the rich and poor and you're just talking out of your ass?

    What percentage of middle class individuals who started off poor are now rich?

    Got those numbers?

    Or do you just like to attempt to justify why you're poor?

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    Re: Hillary Clinton slams trickle-down economics, 'business' doesn't create jobs?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Just look at the American economy since 1980. The rich have gotten richer by considerable numbers where as the middle class and poor have relatively barely moved. This is a statistical fact. The idea of trickle down economics is that by making the rich more wealthy, then they would "trickle down" that wealth by investing the money and hiring more people.. they clearly have not and are not.
    Ah yes, the hate Reagan meme, the time liberal/progressives have been taught the World entered the dark ages. What a load.

    So let's turn to Europe where the social contract has had a long run. Gee, the EU is not looking so good. What happened? Big taxes, cradle to grave nanny state entitlements, protected jobs, etc., etc.. If this meme of yours worked, why are the economies stagnant? Why aren't all members of the EU not swimming in the glory of the socialist state?

    Without the windmill of Reagan and the catch phrase "trickle down" I seriously doubt the truth could be as well hidden from the minions as long as it has been.

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