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A Hate Crime at a Dallas Airport, caught on camera

Jetboogieman said:
That's always the response from mindless Conservative sycophants like you.

"Well you responded to my post so it must be a gem".

When really I'm pointing out it's a load of fecal matter.
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Don't be so hard on yourself.
 
JumpinJack said:
Link to them, please. I did a search before posting and didn't locate any. Mine was the first, as far as I know. But maybe I missed one.

Now that that's out of the way, do you have a substantive comment that contributes to the discussion?
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Here's one -
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...d-man-s-homophobic-attack-dallas-airport.html
Posted and discussed before your OP. Can't find the other, but it was posted the same day as the linked above.

My comments are in the original thread.
 
Meanwhile, the TSA was too busy molesting travelers to actually stop a problem like this from occurring. Thank goodness people took matters into their own hands and stopped this guy.
 
jmotivator said:
Nobody denies that people attack other people because of some perceived trait in the victim. What liberals fail to see is that there is always a stupid excuse when someone assaults a random stranger or otherwise harms them. I refuse to accept the notion that a guy who attacks a homosexual deserves more jail time than the guy that attacks a heterosexual. They both deserve the same jail sentence. It is just more unequal protection under the law driven by the idiotic pretense of balance.
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The reason SOME, but not all, categories of persons are included in hate crime legislation is because of a pattern of crime against that particular category. There is a pattern of "gay bashing" in our country, resulting sometimes in death. There is also a pattern of crimes against blacks. And so on. There is no pattern of crime against white males in our country, that we can tell. They are the victims of crime sometimes for other reasons, and there have been instances of white males attacked because they are white males. But those instances are few and not enough to create a pattern.

Remember the case in Jasper, TX, where three white men accost a black male on the street for no other reason than he was black, then tie him up and drag him behind their truck, beheading him in teh process? Our country has this particular history, and still has people stuck in that time, so that the country felt a need to go after that particular kind of crime.

You can rest easy, though, that whenever you're in line at the airport, no one will ever assault you just for being who and what you are. And that's all you really care about, I suspect.
 
JumpinJack said:
The reason SOME, but not all, categories of persons are included in hate crime legislation is because of a pattern of crime against that particular category. There is a pattern of "gay bashing" in our country, resulting sometimes in death. There is also a pattern of crimes against blacks. And so on. There is no pattern of crime against white males in our country, that we can tell. They are the victims of crime sometimes for other reasons, and there have been instances of white males attacked because they are white males. But those instances are few and not enough to create a pattern.

Remember the case in Jasper, TX, where three white men accost a black male on the street for no other reason than he was black, then tie him up and drag him behind their truck, beheading him in teh process? Our country has this particular history, and still has people stuck in that time, so that the country felt a need to go after that particular kind of crime.

You can rest easy, though, that whenever you're in line at the airport, no one will ever assault you just for being who and what you are. And that's all you really care about, I suspect.
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Sure is a lot of hate in this hate crime thread!

You guys are really talented at arguing things I never said. You believe that a guy who murders someone for their wallet should get out of prison before a guy who murders a guy because he's a member of a protected group. I get it! But restating it doesn't make it right!

Here is my point in a nutshell: If aggravated assault carries a 1 year prison sentence and an aggravated assault plus a hate crime tacks on another 1 year then I am advocating a 2 year sentence for both aggravated assault perpetrators rather than 1 year for one and 2 years for another.
 
Dragonfly said:
Which obviously happened in a split second of the douche physically attacking the other guy.

All bases appear to have been covered quite nicely.
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Do you think the number of cameras filming were fueling the guy's tough act? Do you think it would have escalated if the 15 people with cameras instead surrounded the guy and tried to calm him down?
 
ecofarm said:
Targeting by group is basically terrorism and not the same as a property crime. Why is that difficult to understand?

Unequal protection? For whom? There have been hate crime convictions for targeting whites and heteros.

One does not get convicted of a hate crime just because their victim is homosexual. It appears you have no understanding of US hate crime legislation whatsoever.

How can someone be this ignorant of the facts and yet rail against something? Talk about blind rage. Sad.
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RANDOM stranger.
 
jmotivator said:
Do you think the number of cameras filming were fueling the guy's tough act? Do you think it would have escalated if the 15 people with cameras instead surrounded the guy and tried to calm him down?
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I don't think people with phones has anything to do with some drunk idiot being an ignorant dumb-ass.
 
TeleKat said:
Faith in humanity (somewhat) restored!
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Strange. I would figure that it was pretty much normal behavior for people to protect someone who was getting pushed around for no good reason. I guess I just don't understand why this particular incident has garnered so much attention.
 
ecofarm said:
Tourette syndrome?

I've really no clue where that came from or what your point might be.
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You're poking fun at a mental disorder? Pathetic.

If someone attacks a random stranger and he turns out to be black/LGBT, should that get a harsher crime?
 
It's Texas. Is anyone REALLY surprised by this?

I have become so ashamed of my home state. Their silly "cowboy," boots stupid little "cowboy" hats and redneck viewpoints. Is it any wonder their political landscape is so off the hook ridiculous?

The Texas I remember had plenty intelligent and cool people. What in the world happened down there?

Perhaps, nothing has changed. Maybe it's just the advent of the convenient video cam. How come we only hear of stupid **** coming out of Texas anymore? Perhaps acts of kindness and intelligence just don't make for good entertainment. I dunno.
 
contrapositive said:
You're poking fun at a mental disorder? Pathetic.
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Fair enough. I was illustrating the apparent random nature of your outburst.

If someone attacks a random stranger and he turns out to be black/LGBT, should that get a harsher crime?
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You don't understand hate crime legislation?
 
Hate crimes exist only because a new category was created to appease idiots.

A crime is supposed to be about the harm caused, not about the motivation. So under those auspices, hate crime should not exist, as harmed cased should be about harm caused, regardless of motivation.

In this case, battery being the actual crime, not the motivation.

Criminalizing the motivation as a way to enhance a sentence is nothing more than engagement of thought policing, and is wrong.
 
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jmotivator said:
Do you think the number of cameras filming were fueling the guy's tough act? Do you think it would have escalated if the 15 people with cameras instead surrounded the guy and tried to calm him down?
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And Ray Rice's problem is that there were cameras in the elevator. You used to be able to beat on people in private.

Nice job trying to minimize what the guy did. I don't care what your politics are, kicking a random stranger in the nuts at the airport is not OK.
 
jmotivator said:
Simple question: You are the only one there at the seen of the altercation with a camera. Do you stop the attack or film it?



Nobody needs to see that, sorry. It's just feeding voyeurism. This video in the public realm really doesn't do anything productive other than entertain. It's not going to be a life lesson for someone to think about during their next drunken rage. And labeling it a hate crime won't stop people from hating one another.
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Well, whether or not I film or stop it depends on the circumstances. If other people are jumping in to stop the hate crime, then I continue filming to document it. If there is no one else to stop it, then I probably try to do something myself. Since I'm almost 70 years old and have two artificial hips, a lot would depend on whether I thought I could make a difference.

And I disagree with you. I do think people need to see that video.
 
Lutherf said:
Strange. I would figure that it was pretty much normal behavior for people to protect someone who was getting pushed around for no good reason. I guess I just don't understand why this particular incident has garnered so much attention.
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In fact it's not normal behavior. It should be but it isn't. Ask Kitty Genovese. Except you can't, because she'd dead.
 
JayDubya said:
There is no such thing as a hate crime.
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Gee, thanks for your contribution to the discussion. As with most efforts on this subject from those on the right, it's totally useless and reveals ignorance. Thanks again for confirming it for the rest of us.
 
Wiggen said:
In fact it's not normal behavior. It should be but it isn't. Ask Kitty Genovese. Except you can't, because she'd dead.
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I have a hard time believing that people will tolerate another person being abused in public. That especially goes for when the asshole is obviously drunk.
 
Well, there's a name for this particular failing. It's called 'The Genovese Syndrome'.
 
Wiggen said:
Well, there's a name for this particular failing. It's called 'The Genovese Syndrome'.
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I think you'll notice that the guy in the cowboy hat intercedes verbally pretty much right away. Several people interceded physically after the drunk kicked the guy. That seems pretty normal to me. As a general rule you have no good reason to intervene physically when the offender is merely being vocal.
 
For purposes of context, the Texas Department of Public Safety states:

The Texas Hate Crimes Act, Chapter 411.046 of the Texas Government Code, defines hate crimes as crimes that are motivated by prejudice, hatred, or advocacy of violence including, but not limited to, incidents for which statistics are or were kept under Public Law 101275 (the Federal Hate Crimes Statistics Act). The federal law further defines hate crimes as crimes that manifest evidence of prejudice based on race, religion, sexual orientation, or ethnicity, and added in 1997, disability.

Violation against selected groups within Texas has been recognized as a threat to the safety of Texans.

Under this definition, a hate crime may be committed against a member of a minority group or a member of a majority group.

For more information (2013 report): http://www.dps.texas.gov/crimereports/13/citch6.pdf (p.2 provides a summary breakdown).
 
jmotivator said:
Sure is a lot of hate in this hate crime thread!

You guys are really talented at arguing things I never said. You believe that a guy who murders someone for their wallet should get out of prison before a guy who murders a guy because he's a member of a protected group. I get it! But restating it doesn't make it right!

Here is my point in a nutshell: If aggravated assault carries a 1 year prison sentence and an aggravated assault plus a hate crime tacks on another 1 year then I am advocating a 2 year sentence for both aggravated assault perpetrators rather than 1 year for one and 2 years for another.
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Yes, I believe that certain crimes should carry longer sentences. Crimes against law enforcement, hate crimes, crimes against children. You don't. You have a right to your opinion.
 
jmotivator said:
Do you think the number of cameras filming were fueling the guy's tough act? Do you think it would have escalated if the 15 people with cameras instead surrounded the guy and tried to calm him down?
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Two men had already tried to diffuse the situation and calm him down. And one was much bigger than he was. It had no effect. This guy was smiling when he was being handcuffed. He was beyond self control.
 
Lutherf said:
I have a hard time believing that people will tolerate another person being abused in public. That especially goes for when the asshole is obviously drunk.
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Me, too. But I've seen it before. A girl being raped while being videotaped by onlookers, until finally one guy and his gf, I think it was, comes upon the situation and puts a stop to it. But that wasn't Texas.
 
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