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Putin accuses US of undermining global stability

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Putin accuses US of undermining global stability

MOSCOW (AP) — President Vladimir Putin of Russia said Friday that the world is becoming an increasingly dangerous place because of U.S. attempts to enforce its will on other countries and that his nation will not comply.

If the United State fails to abandon its "desire of eternal domination," then "hopes for peaceful and stable development will be illusory, and today's upheavals will herald the collapse of global world order," Putin said during a meeting that lasted about three hours in the Black Sea resort of Sochi.

His voice strained with anger, Putin accused the U.S. and its allies of trying to "tailor the world exclusively to their needs" since the end of the Cold War, using economic pressure and military force and often supporting extremist groups to achieve their goals.

He cited the wars in Iraq, Libya and Syria as examples of flawed moves that have led to chaos and left Washington and its allies "fighting against the results of their own policy."

"They are throwing their might to remove the risks they have created themselves, and they are paying an ever increasing price," Putin said.

In Washington, U.S. State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki reacted to Putin's speech by saying the U.S. "does not seek confrontation with Russia, but we cannot and will not compromise on the principles on which security in Europe and North America rest."

She said there may be disagreements, "but we remain committed to upholding Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity."

The Russian leader is well known for having said that the breakup of the Soviet Union was "the greatest geopolitical catastrophe" of the 20th century.

But Putin denied allegations that Russia wants to rebuild the Soviet empire.

Evoking the archetypal image of the Russian bear, Putin warned that his nation will firmly stand its ground to defend its vital interests.


Though, I believe these accusations about America wanting to dominate geopolitical situations to our advantage, Putin and Russia are no better. What's scary is how far in a standoff, with both sides pushing for more concessions and assets, will they drive this competition?

Between natural disasters, environmental impact, Ebola like diseases, financial instability, ISIS/terrorism and Chinese hackers how much more strife does the world really need?
 
Putin accuses US of undermining global stability

Though, I believe these accusations about America wanting to dominate geopolitical situations to our advantage, Putin and Russia are no better. What's scary is how far in a standoff, with both sides pushing for more concessions and assets, will they drive this competition?

Between natural disasters, environmental impact, Ebola like diseases, financial instability, ISIS/terrorism and Chinese hackers how much more strife does the world really need?

I have been watching the US Russian relationship for quite some time and Putin's accusations are disingenuous. It is understandable that the Russians were avoid that the Americans ignored them, were condescending or helped them as the situation seemed to the Americans to warrant and higher priorities demanded. That they have returned to trying to harm the USA is not new. The most costly symptom of this strategy was the organization of the support of Saddam against the Security Council and Bush. But yugoslavia, Libya or Georgia and Syria were the same.
 
Putin accuses US of undermining global stability




Though, I believe these accusations about America wanting to dominate geopolitical situations to our advantage, Putin and Russia are no better. What's scary is how far in a standoff, with both sides pushing for more concessions and assets, will they drive this competition?

Between natural disasters, environmental impact, Ebola like diseases, financial instability, ISIS/terrorism and Chinese hackers how much more strife does the world really need?
I think we agree on this topic. He's right, we are undermining global security, started back in 2003 and has snowballed ever since,...actually since both Sadam and the Taliban and even al Queda were once "allies" that we armed, and Saudi Arabian royalty still are, I guess it even started before 2003. However, Putin is definitely not one to be talking. And lastly, no with everything already going on we don't need more, however the MICs in these two countries see gravy, dessert, and an aperitif, not just meat and potatoes. These MICs are in charge these days, I have no doubt, and are thrilled with the escalations and probably are doing everything they can to assure our leaders keep the world on high alert.
 
Putin accuses US of undermining global stability




Though, I believe these accusations about America wanting to dominate geopolitical situations to our advantage, Putin and Russia are no better. What's scary is how far in a standoff, with both sides pushing for more concessions and assets, will they drive this competition?

Between natural disasters, environmental impact, Ebola like diseases, financial instability, ISIS/terrorism and Chinese hackers how much more strife does the world really need?

As if taking Crimea and invading the Ukraine enhances global stability? :lamo

Yeah, right.
 
As if taking Crimea and invading the Ukraine enhances global stability? :lamo

Yeah, right.

In fairness, his incursion seems to have caused considerably less casualties, and considerably less turmoil locally, and dramatically less instability globally than our incursions into the ME.
 
I think we agree on this topic. He's right, we are undermining global security, started back in 2003 and has snowballed ever since,...actually since both Sadam and the Taliban and even al Queda were once "allies" that we armed, and Saudi Arabian royalty still are, I guess it even started before 2003. However, Putin is definitely not one to be talking. And lastly, no with everything already going on we don't need more, however the MICs in these two countries see gravy, dessert, and an aperitif, not just meat and potatoes. These MICs are in charge these days, I have no doubt, and are thrilled with the escalations and probably are doing everything they can to assure our leaders keep the world on high alert.

I believe we made some really poor decisions to democratize and nation build a bunch of sectarian countries in the ME, that all efforts have completely gone into the pooper. It's cost more money, lives and resources than it secured. But rather than admit to a failed policy and concept, including the preemptive attacks on terrorism, they double down on the moronic nature of it all. At some point, we're going to have to let some of that region settle its own governing problems and only respond to serious threats.


As if taking Crimea and invading the Ukraine enhances global stability? :lamo

Yeah, right.

It does for Russia's economy. They rely heavily on Ukrainian oil/gas reserves, purchases and pipelines to do business, especially with Europe's winter needs. It's all a matter of perspective.
 
Putin accuses US of undermining global stability




Though, I believe these accusations about America wanting to dominate geopolitical situations to our advantage, Putin and Russia are no better. What's scary is how far in a standoff, with both sides pushing for more concessions and assets, will they drive this competition?

Between natural disasters, environmental impact, Ebola like diseases, financial instability, ISIS/terrorism and Chinese hackers how much more strife does the world really need?

Putin is trying to talk to the anti-war and isolationist Americans. He is talking himself right into their heads so that he can do what others have successfully done since WW2 and that is to let the US defeat itself.
 
Putin is trying to talk to the anti-war and isolationist Americans. He is talking himself right into their heads so that he can do what others have successfully done since WW2 and that is to let the US defeat itself.

We seem to do that best with NO help. The worst thing to do is give Americans a united front to gather behind, because otherwise, we'll beat each other into political dust given the opportunity.
 
Putin is trying to talk to the anti-war and isolationist Americans. He is talking himself right into their heads so that he can do what others have successfully done since WW2 and that is to let the US defeat itself.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't just this past summer that rightie tighties nationwide thought Obama should be more Putin-like and were practically giving Putin verbal blow jobs regarding how fabulously masculine he is???

Now it's somehow the anti-war folks who will be adoring Putin???? I get so confused trying to sort out the quick sand that constitutes the opinions and positions of right wingers.
 
Putin is no saint...I don't trust him for a millisecond.

But in the grand scheme of things, America is doing (imo) far, FAR more damage to world peace then Russia.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't just this past summer that rightie tighties nationwide thought Obama should be more Putin-like and were practically giving Putin verbal blow jobs regarding how fabulously masculine he is???

Now it's somehow the anti-war folks who will be adoring Putin???? I get so confused trying to sort out the quick sand that constitutes the opinions and positions of right wingers.

I don't think you understand at all what I am saying. Do I think anti-war people like putin, probably not. I do think they dislike American foreign policy though. And I don't think it is a stretch to say they probably dislike American foreign policy more then they dislike Putin. Because they simply don't believe we have any foreign enemies to be concerned about.
 
Basically what I am saying is that Putin is playing off the anti-war and isolationist sentiment so that pushing his agenda in his region is a lot easier. America is really the only wedge in his plan to resurrect the USSR from the ashes.
 
I don't think you understand at all what I am saying. Do I think anti-war people like putin, probably not. I do think they dislike American foreign policy though. And I don't think it is a stretch to say they probably dislike American foreign policy more then they dislike Putin. Because they simply don't believe we have any foreign enemies to be concerned about.

It's quite a stretch, and either isn't the case of his intent, and/or isn't likely going to work if it is his intent.
 
In fairness, his incursion seems to have caused considerably less casualties, and considerably less turmoil locally, and dramatically less instability globally than our incursions into the ME.

We may never know what the ME might have been had the coalition not gone in. Perhaps it would have been more like what we see now?

I believe we made some really poor decisions to democratize and nation build a bunch of sectarian countries in the ME, that all efforts have completely gone into the pooper. It's cost more money, lives and resources than it secured. But rather than admit to a failed policy and concept, including the preemptive attacks on terrorism, they double down on the moronic nature of it all. At some point, we're going to have to let some of that region settle its own governing problems and only respond to serious threats.




It does for Russia's economy. They rely heavily on Ukrainian oil/gas reserves, purchases and pipelines to do business, especially with Europe's winter needs. It's all a matter of perspective.

With 1/2 of the EU holding their breath as to what he's going to next? Not sounding or seeming particularly more stable.

It's the sale of the oil / gas to the EU countries that helps the Russian / Ukraine economies. There were some that were calling for a halt to these purchases, which would have been bad for the Russian / Ukraine economies. Since Russia / Ukraine have the reserves, their fuel sources are not in jeopardy.
 
It's quite a stretch, and either isn't the case of his intent, and/or isn't likely going to work if it is his intent.

It got posted here on this forum and reported in the news..... I think its working...
 
Putin accuses US of undermining global stability




Though, I believe these accusations about America wanting to dominate geopolitical situations to our advantage, Putin and Russia are no better. What's scary is how far in a standoff, with both sides pushing for more concessions and assets, will they drive this competition?

Between natural disasters, environmental impact, Ebola like diseases, financial instability, ISIS/terrorism and Chinese hackers how much more strife does the world really need?

Sort of like Ted Bundy complaining that somebody might not be sensitive to women's issues.
 
It got posted here on this forum and reported in the news..... I think its working...

So does Sarah Palin get quoted, and yet has little or no effect. I guess you're just over-sensitive to what is put in the news and believe all you read, clearly it's "working" on you, but based on the other comments herein, it doesn't seem to be "working" on many others.
 
So does Sarah Palin get quoted, and yet has little or no effect. I guess you're just over-sensitive to what is put in the news and believe all you read, clearly it's "working" on you, but based on the other comments herein, it doesn't seem to be "working" on many others.

It has worked on others. How many do you know actually agree with him? I would even say there might be a small minority who believe the US should retreat back behind its boarders and hide.
 
It has worked on others. How many do you know actually agree with him? I would even say there might be a small minority who believe the US should retreat back behind its boarders and hide.

Let's put it this way, no one is going to suddenly agree with him because he said it. IF someone already has one or both of those opinions, they had them well before Putin sputtered. So no, it's not "working" on any but the most partisan and paranoid.
 
Let's put it this way, no one is going to suddenly agree with him because he said it. IF someone already has one or both of those opinions, they had them well before Putin sputtered. So no, it's not "working" on any but the most partisan and paranoid.

Then those who already hold those views should view this as exactly the reason why we can't become an isolationist country.
 
Then those who already hold those views should view this as exactly the reason why we can't become an isolationist country.

To use the propaganda presented by Putin to have an opinion or change an opinion is equally ignorant. A person suggesting people make a choice or change a choice based on propaganda (right as it may be) by Putin should be considered quite suspect regarding his/her intentions.
 
Putin accuses US of undermining global stability




Though, I believe these accusations about America wanting to dominate geopolitical situations to our advantage, Putin and Russia are no better. What's scary is how far in a standoff, with both sides pushing for more concessions and assets, will they drive this competition?

Between natural disasters, environmental impact, Ebola like diseases, financial instability, ISIS/terrorism and Chinese hackers how much more strife does the world really need?

Putin's speech at the Valdai Club, in its' entirety, is posted on the Vineyard of the Saker

The Vineyard of the Saker

I agree with Putin completely on the issues presented. We have created chaos in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Ukraine, Egypt, and other Nations. We have military bases in 144 Countries when there are no percieved large military threats, definitely none upon our borders. We are projecting a technically bankrupt currency about the World as a Reserve Currency and must spend as much as we can, acquiring alternative assets for the Corporate class, before it crashes. The NWO is about a Corporate world management, or more precisely, fascism. The USA has allowed a big energy hegemon to infiltrate and make policy in our leadership starting with the Intelligence Agencies operating to help American Corporations overseas. We bombed Libya and what is left behind. We threatened to bomb Syria when the rebels used poison gas and now find out that the USA has thousands of "allegedly" moderate rebels on CIA payrolls and ain't that working just great for Iraq and Syria? Is Afghanistan a success? Only if you measure success by "opium production." Is Iraq a success? All these lovely OIL/energy countries are destabilized for what reason? Cui Bono? Who profits. Well, it's capitalism (actually corporatism) and the coffers of the USA arms manufacturers, a business twice as large as the auto industry, are overflowing. USA Energy Corporations are the first profiteers of war, so they are doing well. Am I suggesting that USA MIC and its' allies promote war? Why , hell yes. Does a cat have an ass? That is known as product promotion, marketing, good business and I will repeat what I often repeat; "War is good business, and business is good." If the auto industry downturn can crash our economy, then a lack of wars crashes our economy twice as bad because it is twice as large an Industry. I think USA policy is doing exactly what it wants by creating chaos in Energy producing Nations because they can't be so stupid to keep making the same mistake, over and over. It must be the plan. Classified, top secret, not for virgin ears, don't ya' know?
 
To use the propaganda presented by Putin to have an opinion or change an opinion is equally ignorant. A person suggesting people make a choice or change a choice based on propaganda (right as it may be) by Putin should be considered quite suspect regarding his/her intentions.

I don't know how changing ones opinion is ignorant. I have always thought that those who stick to their opinions and never change them at all to be ignorant.
 
Putin's speech at the Valdai Club, in its' entirety, is posted on the Vineyard of the Saker

The Vineyard of the Saker

I agree with Putin completely on the issues presented. We have created chaos in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Ukraine, Egypt, and other Nations. We have military bases in 144 Countries when there are no percieved large military threats, definitely none upon our borders. We are projecting a technically bankrupt currency about the World as a Reserve Currency and must spend as much as we can, acquiring alternative assets for the Corporate class, before it crashes. The NWO is about a Corporate world management, or more precisely, fascism. The USA has allowed a big energy hegemon to infiltrate and make policy in our leadership starting with the Intelligence Agencies operating to help American Corporations overseas. We bombed Libya and what is left behind. We threatened to bomb Syria when the rebels used poison gas and now find out that the USA has thousands of "allegedly" moderate rebels on CIA payrolls and ain't that working just great for Iraq and Syria? Is Afghanistan a success? Only if you measure success by "opium production." Is Iraq a success? All these lovely OIL/energy countries are destabilized for what reason? Cui Bono? Who profits. Well, it's capitalism (actually corporatism) and the coffers of the USA arms manufacturers, a business twice as large as the auto industry, are overflowing. USA Energy Corporations are the first profiteers of war, so they are doing well. Am I suggesting that USA MIC and its' allies promote war? Why , hell yes. Does a cat have an ass? That is known as product promotion, marketing, good business and I will repeat what I often repeat; "War is good business, and business is good." If the auto industry downturn can crash our economy, then a lack of wars crashes our economy twice as bad because it is twice as large an Industry. I think USA policy is doing exactly what it wants by creating chaos in Energy producing Nations because they can't be so stupid to keep making the same mistake, over and over. It must be the plan. Classified, top secret, not for virgin ears, don't ya' know?

You're playing right into Putins progagandic lies. He is only upset because he is not the one doing the interventions.
 
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