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    Re: Putin accuses US of undermining global stability

    Putin is no saint...I don't trust him for a millisecond.

    But in the grand scheme of things, America is doing (imo) far, FAR more damage to world peace then Russia.

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    Re: Putin accuses US of undermining global stability

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't just this past summer that rightie tighties nationwide thought Obama should be more Putin-like and were practically giving Putin verbal blow jobs regarding how fabulously masculine he is???

    Now it's somehow the anti-war folks who will be adoring Putin???? I get so confused trying to sort out the quick sand that constitutes the opinions and positions of right wingers.
    I don't think you understand at all what I am saying. Do I think anti-war people like putin, probably not. I do think they dislike American foreign policy though. And I don't think it is a stretch to say they probably dislike American foreign policy more then they dislike Putin. Because they simply don't believe we have any foreign enemies to be concerned about.
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    Re: Putin accuses US of undermining global stability

    Basically what I am saying is that Putin is playing off the anti-war and isolationist sentiment so that pushing his agenda in his region is a lot easier. America is really the only wedge in his plan to resurrect the USSR from the ashes.
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    Re: Putin accuses US of undermining global stability

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I don't think you understand at all what I am saying. Do I think anti-war people like putin, probably not. I do think they dislike American foreign policy though. And I don't think it is a stretch to say they probably dislike American foreign policy more then they dislike Putin. Because they simply don't believe we have any foreign enemies to be concerned about.
    It's quite a stretch, and either isn't the case of his intent, and/or isn't likely going to work if it is his intent.
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    Re: Putin accuses US of undermining global stability

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    In fairness, his incursion seems to have caused considerably less casualties, and considerably less turmoil locally, and dramatically less instability globally than our incursions into the ME.
    We may never know what the ME might have been had the coalition not gone in. Perhaps it would have been more like what we see now?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I believe we made some really poor decisions to democratize and nation build a bunch of sectarian countries in the ME, that all efforts have completely gone into the pooper. It's cost more money, lives and resources than it secured. But rather than admit to a failed policy and concept, including the preemptive attacks on terrorism, they double down on the moronic nature of it all. At some point, we're going to have to let some of that region settle its own governing problems and only respond to serious threats.




    It does for Russia's economy. They rely heavily on Ukrainian oil/gas reserves, purchases and pipelines to do business, especially with Europe's winter needs. It's all a matter of perspective.
    With 1/2 of the EU holding their breath as to what he's going to next? Not sounding or seeming particularly more stable.

    It's the sale of the oil / gas to the EU countries that helps the Russian / Ukraine economies. There were some that were calling for a halt to these purchases, which would have been bad for the Russian / Ukraine economies. Since Russia / Ukraine have the reserves, their fuel sources are not in jeopardy.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Putin accuses US of undermining global stability

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    It's quite a stretch, and either isn't the case of his intent, and/or isn't likely going to work if it is his intent.
    It got posted here on this forum and reported in the news..... I think its working...
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    Re: Putin accuses US of undermining global stability

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Putin accuses US of undermining global stability




    Though, I believe these accusations about America wanting to dominate geopolitical situations to our advantage, Putin and Russia are no better. What's scary is how far in a standoff, with both sides pushing for more concessions and assets, will they drive this competition?

    Between natural disasters, environmental impact, Ebola like diseases, financial instability, ISIS/terrorism and Chinese hackers how much more strife does the world really need?
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    Re: Putin accuses US of undermining global stability

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    It got posted here on this forum and reported in the news..... I think its working...
    So does Sarah Palin get quoted, and yet has little or no effect. I guess you're just over-sensitive to what is put in the news and believe all you read, clearly it's "working" on you, but based on the other comments herein, it doesn't seem to be "working" on many others.
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    Re: Putin accuses US of undermining global stability

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    So does Sarah Palin get quoted, and yet has little or no effect. I guess you're just over-sensitive to what is put in the news and believe all you read, clearly it's "working" on you, but based on the other comments herein, it doesn't seem to be "working" on many others.
    It has worked on others. How many do you know actually agree with him? I would even say there might be a small minority who believe the US should retreat back behind its boarders and hide.
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    Re: Putin accuses US of undermining global stability

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    It has worked on others. How many do you know actually agree with him? I would even say there might be a small minority who believe the US should retreat back behind its boarders and hide.
    Let's put it this way, no one is going to suddenly agree with him because he said it. IF someone already has one or both of those opinions, they had them well before Putin sputtered. So no, it's not "working" on any but the most partisan and paranoid.
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