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Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysvi[W:480]

Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

CRUE CAB said:
Wow, talk about a HUGE what if. I will gladly take my semi dangerous freedom over some promise of some un attainable utopia.
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I'm not saying it's doable next year or in the next ten years. An education effort to debunk NRA propaganda might take decades.
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

Joe Steel said:
Maybe. Maybe not. The American gun cult's belief in a right to guns was created by NRA propaganda. A debunking campaign could reverse the insanity.
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There is no cult, and it isn't anything propagated by the NRA. It's in black and white, in the BOR. And it isn't going to change any time soon, and if and when it does change, in the distant future, the American people will then be recognized for the fools they are, for ever allowing the only right they have, which has any teeth, to be taken from them.
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

Joe Steel said:
I'm not saying it's doable next year or in the next ten years. An education effort to debunk NRA propaganda might take decades.
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It is more important to expose the sniveling and lying of the pantywaist anti-gun morons who are incapable of understanding self sufficient, strong citizens who take care of themselves.
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

Joe Steel said:
Maybe. Maybe not. The American gun cult's belief in a right to guns was created by NRA propaganda. A debunking campaign could reverse the insanity.
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That (bolded above) is quite a claim since the 2A predates the NRA. With about 90 guns per 100 U.S. residents that is a lot of toothpaste to try to get back into the tube.

Number of guns per capita by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

By the numbers: Guns in America - CNN.com
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

Joe Steel said:
I'm not saying it's doable next year or in the next ten years. An education effort to debunk NRA propaganda might take decades.
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Waiting for your to inform us as to what pieces of gun control can stop mass shootings???

And what propaganda do you think needs to be debunked? Why don't you enlighten us?
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

lizzie said:
There is no cult, and it isn't anything propagated by the NRA. It's in black and white, in the BOR. And it isn't going to change any time soon, and if and when it does change, in the distant future, the American people will then be recognized for the fools they are, for ever allowing the only right they have, which has any teeth, to be taken from them.
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That's absurd. No other country in the world allows gun proliferation the way America does. We're regarded as fools for doing it.
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

ttwtt78640 said:
... With about 90 guns per 100 U.S. residents that is a lot of toothpaste to try to get back into the tube. ...
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Indeed, but it describes the level of insanity and that in itself can be persuasive. It might be the fact that moves the People to action.
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

Joe Steel said:
I'm not saying it's doable next year or in the next ten years. An education effort to debunk NRA propaganda might take decades.
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Define propaganda. I am sure I can quickly debunk your debunking.
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

mrmacq said:
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who's trying to ban firearms?
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many of those who CURRENTLY claim they only want "reasonable controls"

anyone who supports assault weapon (Whatever those are) bans

anyone who supports "magazine limits"

anyone who supports the "Hughes Amendment"
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

Joe Steel said:
Indeed, but it describes the level of insanity and that in itself can be persuasive. It might be the fact that moves the People to action.
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Yep, a majority of those gun owners will surely demand that the gov't make them into instant criminals for their gun ownership. ;)
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

stonewall50 said:
Waiting for your to inform us as to what pieces of gun control can stop mass shootings???
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Here's a draft of legislation which would go a long way to stop the madness:

General Retrieval And Ban

Section 1 - Responsibility

1. Responsibility for enforcing the General Retrieval and Ban shall be vested in the National Firearms Retrieval Service. NFRS shall be empowered to use whatever means generally are available to law enforcement agencies.

2. The General Retrieval and Ban permits retrieval and banning of firearms without the requirement they be covered specifically by legislation. Firearms covered by GRAB shall be included at the discretion the Director of the National Firearms Retrieval Service who shall be required to hold hearings and consult with interested parties before adding any firearm to the Schedule of Banned Firearms. The President of the United States shall approve implementation of Retrieval for any firearm added to the Schedule of Banned Firearms.

Section 2 - Process

1. Retrieval: Within 30 days of implementation, scheduled firearms in private possession shall be delivered to a law enforcement agency.

2. Prosecution: Persons found to be in possession of a scheduled firearm after the expiration of the 30 day Retrieval period will be guilty of a Class A felony and shall be prosecuted.

3. Reeducation: Convicted offenders found to be in possession of a scheduled firearm, shall be transported to a reeducation camp for instruction in the community's expectations.

4. Transition: Persons found to be in possession of a scheduled firearm after reeducation shall be transitioned to a harmless condition.

Section 3 - Financing.

1. Financing for GRAB and related agencies and their operations shall be provided by taxes on firearms and operations.

2. Taxes on firearms shall include but not necessarily be limited to an excise tax and an annual property tax.

3. Taxes on ammunition shall include an excise tax.

4. Any tax levied by GRAB shall not preclude any tax levied by a state or local jurisdiction.

Section 4. - Judicial Review and Severability

1. The GRAB shall not be subject to judicial review.

2. Should any part of the GRAB be determined to be unlawful or in conflict with another law, the discrepancy shall not affect any other part of GRAB.

Section 5. - Registry

1. The Director of the National Firearms Retrieval Service shall maintain a registry of all firearms within the national borders.

2. The Director shall record all pertinent information related to each firearm. The information recorded shall included but not necessarily be limited to the serial number of the fireman, the description of the firearm, name and address of the possessor and owner if different. The Director is empowered to collect any other information which may be pertinent to retrieving the firearm should it be added to the Schedule of Banned Firearms.
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Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

mrmacq said:
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they know what vehicle you own and use
what makes a firearm so different?
after all its only a tool
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The U.S. constitution. There is no constitutional right of the people to keep and drive cars thus the gov't is free to place all manner of "reasonable restrictions" on that state issued privilege. Can you name anything "registered" by the gov't that is not taxed or subjected to a "user fee"?
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

TurtleDude said:
many of those who CURRENTLY claim they only want "reasonable controls"

anyone who supports assault weapon (Whatever those are) bans

anyone who supports "magazine limits"

anyone who supports the "Hughes Amendment"
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so basically anyone with a bit of common sense?
if you had a chance for an m1a1 you'd jump at the chance?
would you really need one to go hunt bambi?
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why are you so bloody paranoid?
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

mrmacq said:
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so basically anyone with a bit of common sense?
if you had a chance for an m1a1 you'd jump at the chance?
would you really need one to go hunt bambi?
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why are you so bloody paranoid?
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see you proved my point and you probably are unable to understand why

I own a MIAI-and I didn't buy it for deer hunting
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

ttwtt78640 said:
The U.S. constitution. There is no constitutional right of the people to keep and drive cars thus the gov't is free to place all manner of "reasonable restrictions" on that state issued privilege. Can you name anything "registered" by the gov't that is not taxed or subjected to a "user fee"?
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so once again its a "whats it going to cost me" thing
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

mrmacq said:
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so once again its a "whats it going to cost me" thing
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Yep, much like the opposition to strict voter state issued. photo ID laws. ;)

When a right gets converted to a more costly privilege then there will be some that will object.
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

TurtleDude said:
see post 383. the federal government does not have the proper power to require me, a private seller who is limited to intra-state sales to go through the hassle of finding some dealer to perform a background check of someone I way to sell a gun to
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so you should be allowed to sell to whomever you choose
and screw the general population if it happens to fall into the "wrong" hands
the gang banger out for payback
the psychotic wanting to do in your next prez
or the confused youth bent on payback for deemed wrongs (topic of this thread)
so long as it doesn't inconvenience you
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ya know...registration/background checks would (while not being all that strenuous) alleviate a lot of the problems youre having down there
but I get it
that's their responsibility
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

TurtleDude said:
and NEVER PROPERLY gave the federal government any power to regulate arms.
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"a well REGULATED militia..."
...rather intellectually lazy and silly wouldn't you say?
 
Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysvi...

Joe Steel said:
Here's a draft of legislation which would go a long way to stop the madness:
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Not subject to judicial review. So not only are you proposing something wholly unconstitutional, but also that the court can't review it??? Dear lord. This is hilarious. And if it is doing something illegal you can't shut it down...only the part that did the illegal thing.

Reeducation CAMPS!!!!??!!!! You might as well be creating internment camps. Seriously? Did you even read this anti freedom bill?
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

lizzie said:
Nope, The citizens have that right. Ask the SCOTUS if you have some doubts about that.
A regulated militia had nothing to do with firearms regulations. It had to do with training.
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...and Joe Blow "I need me guns" Wanker has tons of training
Definition of regulation: Principle or rule (with or without the coercive power of law) employed in controlling, directing, or managing an activity, ...
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

TurtleDude said:
Its a feel good law that has no value
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"Registration systems also create accountability for firearm owners and discourage illegal sales.

Firearm registration laws can lead to the identification and prosecution of violent criminals by helping law enforcement quickly and reliably “trace” (identify the source of) firearms recovered from crime scenes. Firearm registration laws create comprehensive records of firearm ownership, which include a full description of each firearm and identify the owner. Comprehensive registration laws also require a firearm to be re-registered whenever title to the firearm is transferred, and law enforcement to be notified whenever the weapon is lost or stolen. As a result, registration laws help law enforcement quickly and reliably identify the owner of any firearm used in a crime."
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I honestly can not see why this is such a hassle to you
its a relatively simple procedure
...but then again I'm not the paranoid type
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

TurtleDude said:
such a question demonstrates you have ZERO understanding
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or
I have a completely different understanding of it
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anything YOU will say about the constitution (needs to be tossed) to the rubbish heap
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actually that was a cheap shot from you
as your constitution involves a tad more than just the second
yet you label this one difference in viewpoint as my not understand the entire thing
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

More facts rolling in. The handwriting was there. No one put the pieces together, sigh...


Shortly before the shootings, Fryberg sent a selfie to his ex-girlfriend showing himself holding a gun, a law enforcement official told CNN. It is unclear if it was the same .40 caliber pistol used in the attack.
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From the same article. Wow...

- How does a 14-year-old high school student, shot in the face and told he can never play football again, feel about his attacker?
Forgiving.
In a tweet he sent from his hospital, Nate Hatch says he forgives his cousin -- the shooter who opened fire at Marysville-Pilchuck High School in Washington on Friday.
Two students, Zoe Galasso and Gia Soriano, were killed. Two others, in addition to Nate, are still hospitalized.
The shooter, Jaylen Fryberg, took his own life.
"I love you and I forgive you jaylen rest in peace," Nate tweeted.
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School shooting victim forgives the gunman - his cousin - CNN.com
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

vesper said:
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed
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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the
security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"
(mines got a lot more commas than yours ;) )
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"With its convoluted phrasing and clauses whose relation to each other is fuzzy, the
amendment begs a number of questions. What makes a "militia", and what makes it "well
regulated"? Who are the "people"? What kinds of "arms" can be kept and borne? Most crucially,
does this amendment's second half refer to all citizens, or only to members of a militia?"
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The Supreme Court's 1939 decision, while murky, affirmed that the amendment's purpose is to guarantee
an effective militia. In subsequent cases, the Court found that the National Guard is the equivalent
of earlier militias. Ten circuit courts have agreed, finding that Miller refers to individuals serving
in well-regulated militias.
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its always a matter of perspective
and before I'm accused of being anti firearm please understand I own three
...which I must admit I haven't stroked for sometime now...I should really go see to their needs soon ;)
 
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