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Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysvi[W:480]

Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

Guns are good tools for getting a high velocity projectile on target. They're a definite improvement over the arm and the sling so, when you want to kill something, a gun is usually a good choice. ...

That's the problem. At the margin, gun are the difference between life or death.
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

Nonsense.

Knives and clubs don't make killing easier? Did you not take any anthropology courses at all? Those were some of the first tools. They were used to make killing easier.
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysvi...

Let me interrupt all the political bull**** chatter to share this terribly sad news.



Washington school shooting claims another victim - CNN.com

Damn it all to hell....

Saw that on the news this morning. I have a 14 year old child myself. I simply can't imagine sending your 14 year old off to school and having her not come home because some maniacal teenager went off the rails. She was in school, not drinking at a party or wandering the streets alone at midnight. She was in school.

Terrible, horrible tragedy. My heart absolutely breaks for her family.
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

You're part of the problem, then. You and everyone like you buys a gun for the remote possibility you might need it someday have contributed to the creation of a huge supply of guns which makes them relatively cheap and easy to get for those who would use them inappropriately.
I have fire extinguishers too. On the "remote" chance I will need it.
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

That's the problem. At the margin, gun are the difference between life or death.
Sorry you cant see the person holding the gun is the problem. Not the gun.
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

Think about it.
I mean, the NRA? Seriously? Give your head a shake, laddybuck, you're out of line.
No thanks, I don't think of anything you say. Sure to lose IQ points doing so.
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

Knives and clubs don't make killing easier? Did you not take any anthropology courses at all? Those were some of the first tools. They were used to make killing easier.

Knives and clubs may be used for killing but that is not their primary purpose. They aren't designed to be the most efficient killing tool possible.
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

You seem to be a radical. Are you a member of a "militia?"
I suppose to an authoritarian statist anyone who believes that the state exists to protect individual liberty and individual freedom will appear radical.

I am a retired Army officer. You are an enemy non-combatant.
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

Guns are made for killing. They're made to make killing fast, safe and easy. When a disturbed person reaches the critical point, an easily available gun makes the killing much, much more possible.

Blaming the tool (in this case a gun) and easy availability (in this case it was taken from his father) ignores the larger issue (criminal intent/mental illness). Killing is possible using many different tools/aids, of which guns are certainly included, that are common in many households.

Guns are equally capable of stopping someone "disturbed" from killing others (also done in this case, although self inflicted and done too late in the process). The very reason that police have guns issued to them (in addition to non-lethal tools) is that they have proven to be very effective in stopping persons that have "reached the critical point" from claiming more victims.

The idea that anyone, much less the gov't, can accurately predict who will (someday) reach the critical point is virtually impossible and thus the ban (reasonably restrict?) the killing tool idea deprives not only perps but their victims of using that "killing tool". Note that (in this case) the gun was owned by the parent - should guns no longer be available to parents?
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

They also took up the issue of an armed citizenry as the second order of business, which suggests it was a critical right they intended be preserved as a foundational aspect of the country.

Yes, for defense of the country. The world with different then and an armed citizen militia was necessary. So, no, as things have changed we have no reason to believe they wouldn't have changed as well.
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

They aren't a source of significant collateral damage.

So you are fine with my family being slaughtered, just as long as no one gets hurt by me defending them.
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

Knives and clubs may be used for killing but that is not their primary purpose. They aren't designed to be the most efficient killing tool possible.

That is not what I said is it? Additionally...a CLUB IS designed to be a killing tool. So are many knives. And they ARE efficient. Hell guns are not the most efficient killing tools. Artillery, bombs, explosives are. So what the hell is the point here? You are trying to argue that guns are the only thing that kills people?

But hey. Keep dancing on the graves of kids. We all know you hate the NRA and that is why this is about guns to you. It isn't about helping anyone. If it was...you would be asking questions like...what is it about our society that has reduced people's ability to cope with the simplest problems?
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

Yes, for defense of the country. The world with different then and an armed citizen militia was necessary. So, no, as things have changed we have no reason to believe they wouldn't have changed as well.

This is a common anti gun meme that is so fundamentally wrong in its thinking that one barely knows where to start...But I see you as a reasonably educated man Boo, if not exasperating in the concept of being able to understand that which disagrees with your own world view in terms of ideology, or ability to open your mind to the concept that your ideology may be reflexively wrong on anything. In any case, even though you will probably dismiss this, I would like you to consider, if you can this quote, and tell me why YOU, should have the hubris to tell ME that I don't posses the right to self defense with the legal weapon of MY choice...

"The underpinnings of the classical liberal belief in an armed people are obscure to us because we are not accustomed to thinking about political issues in criminological terms. But the classical liberal worldview was criminological, for lack of a better word. It held that good citizens must always be prepared to defend themselves and their society against criminal usurpation - a characterization no less applicable to tyrannical ministers or pillaging foreign or domestic soldiery (who were, in point of fact, largely composed of criminals inducted from gaols [9] ) than to apolitical outlaws.

To natural law philosophers, self-defense was "the primary law of nature", the primary reason for man entering society. [10] Indeed, it was viewed as not just a right but a positive duty: God gives Man both life and the means to defend it; the refusal to do so reviles God's gift; in effect it is a Judeo- Christian form of hubris. Indicative of the intellectual gulf between that era and our own is that Montesquieu could rhetorically ask a question that today might be seriously posed, "Who does not see that self-protection is a duty superior to every precept?" [11]"

https://www.firearmsandliberty.com/kates.self.protection.html
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

Yes, for defense of the country. The world with different then and an armed citizen militia was necessary. So, no, as things have changed we have no reason to believe they wouldn't have changed as well.

Yes. The world is different. Invasion isn't as much of a threat as someone breaking into my home or robbing me in the street. So my rights should reflect that...people deserve the right to defend themselves.
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

That's the problem. At the margin, gun are the difference between life or death.

So, since you blew off the question part of my posts I have to assume that you do, in fact, believe that there are times where shooting someone is a good idea but just don't want to come out and say that.
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

That's the problem. At the margin, gun are the difference between life or death.

Right.

And sometimes there's an asshole out there that just needs shooting.
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

Yes, for defense of the country. The world with different then and an armed citizen militia was necessary. So, no, as things have changed we have no reason to believe they wouldn't have changed as well.

Not only defense of the country, but defense from the country. As the saying goes, the more things change, the more they stay the same. They saw the government as a solution, and as a problem.
 
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Saw that on the news this morning. I have a 14 year old child myself. I simply can't imagine sending your 14 year old off to school and having her not come home because some maniacal teenager went off the rails. She was in school, not drinking at a party or wandering the streets alone at midnight. She was in school.

Terrible, horrible tragedy. My heart absolutely breaks for her family.

I have two daughters, one in her final year of college, the other a senior in high school (Not all that far from Marysville actually). Like you, it takes my breath away like a knee to the groin when I hear these innocent young kids are dying in school. Where it's supposed to be safe.

Those parents lost their child and their lives, and those of their entire families are ruined. For what?
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysvi...

I have two daughters, one in her final year of college, the other a senior in high school (Not all that far from Marysville actually). Like you, it takes my breath away like a knee to the groin when I hear these innocent young kids are dying in school. Where it's supposed to be safe.

Those parents lost their child and their lives, and those of their entire families are ruined. For what?

That's the horrible thing. For what? Absolutely no reason.

What's really scary is how seemingly normal this kid was. He wasn't an outcast, a loner, a kid with issues, a kid who's been seeing doctors all his life....just a normal 14 year old. Makes me shudder.
 
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That's the horrible thing. For what? Absolutely no reason.

What's really scary is how seemingly normal this kid was. He wasn't an outcast, a loner, a kid with issues, a kid who's been seeing doctors all his life....just a normal 14 year old. Makes me shudder.

From what I can gather, it sounds like it was a combination of things. I believe one of the boys he shot was dating the girl he broke up with. The boy was his cousin no less. The girl was the first of two that died.

I can't have her, you can't have her, you are no longer my "brother" kind of thing.

Speculation is all that is.

But yeah, it is scary. And so ****ing sad. I don't know how those kids can walk into that cafeteria ever again. And the teacher who ran toward the gunfire. Wow, what a brave woman. My hat is off to her. But she has to be traumatized. To see that happen in front of you?

Wow. How do you go back to work?
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysvi...

From what I can gather, it sounds like it was a combination of things. I believe one of the boys he shot was dating the girl he broke up with. The boy was his cousin no less. The girl was the first of two that died.

I can't have her, you can't have her, you are no longer my "brother" kind of thing.

Speculation is all that is.

But yeah, it is scary. And so ****ing sad. I don't know how those kids can walk into that cafeteria ever again. And the teacher who ran toward the gunfire. Wow, what a brave woman. My hat is off to her. But she has to be traumatized. To see that happen in front of you?

Wow. How do you go back to work?

I don't think I could go back to work, and I'll tell you what - if I was a parent who had this happen in her kids school, I'm not sure that I wouldn't NOT consider home schooling, which is something I generally oppose for a lot of reasons.

The trauma for the kids, too. Talk about years of therapy and their hearts stopping the first time someone drops his tray in the cafeteria and they hear a pop.

It's hard to imagine someone at 14 being that devastated over the loss of a girl that he does this. And not that it would have been any better, but seriously...couldn't he have just gone to his cousin's house and not done this at school (and again, not suggesting this would have been a good idea, but it would have been a tiny bit more understandable).
 
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I don't think I could go back to work, and I'll tell you what - if I was a parent who had this happen in her kids school, I'm not sure that I wouldn't NOT consider home schooling, which is something I generally oppose for a lot of reasons.

The trauma for the kids, too. Talk about years of therapy and their hearts stopping the first time someone drops his tray in the cafeteria and they hear a pop.

It's hard to imagine someone at 14 being that devastated over the loss of a girl that he does this. And not that it would have been any better, but seriously...couldn't he have just gone to his cousin's house and not done this at school (and again, not suggesting this would have been a good idea, but it would have been a tiny bit more understandable).

Rational minds can't comprehend irrational thought.
 
Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysvi...

I don't think I could go back to work, and I'll tell you what - if I was a parent who had this happen in her kids school, I'm not sure that I wouldn't NOT consider home schooling, which is something I generally oppose for a lot of reasons.

The trauma for the kids, too. Talk about years of therapy and their hearts stopping the first time someone drops his tray in the cafeteria and they hear a pop.

It's hard to imagine someone at 14 being that devastated over the loss of a girl that he does this. And not that it would have been any better, but seriously...couldn't he have just gone to his cousin's house and not done this at school (and again, not suggesting this would have been a good idea, but it would have been a tiny bit more understandable).

I blame the parents for his actions, in addition to him.

The lack of discipline, lack of taught morals and social obligations, and the lack of teaching kids right and wrong is a serious problem.

Children are a primarily function of their environment - if their parents are not involved, we get crap like this.
 
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