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Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysvi[W:480]

Re: School shooting in Maryville, Washington

KevinKohler said:
What are we doing wrong as parents? How are we erring so badly that are kids are homicidal maniacs?
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Don't blame the parent's, don't blame society, don't blame video games or guns, blame the perpetrator. Why did this happen? Because insane people are among us; we can do little to stop such an act from ever happening again.

Edit: Godlessness? Really? :roll:
 
Re: School shooting in Maryville, Washington

KevinKohler said:
Why the **** is this happening? Why the **** is this happening? Why the **** is the happening? Instead of partisan bull****, why aren't we collectively asking, why the **** is this happening, and then honestly and openly seeking an answer, no matter where it leads us?


Is it a prevalence of guns? Nonsense. Guns were more prevalent per capita in past eras, and this **** was not common.

Is it video games? I think no, but I don't really know? I mean, I play video games. And I've never shot up a school.

Is it bullying? Is bullying something new? Has bullying gotten worse? Is it because it's all online now?

Is it copy catting? Like, gee wiz, my life sucks, I'm gonna go all columbine on someone? Had this latest shooter even heard of columbine?

What are we doing wrong as parents? How are we erring so badly that are kids are homicidal maniacs?
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You left one out. Media attention and recognition. Something that becomes attractive to most of the social outcasts that commits these acts.

If you ask who the gunmen was in Newtown, CT....most will know his name. Ask the name of one of the kids or teachers....most won't know their name.

Also, the drugging of kids. ADHD, ADD, or whatever the disorder dujour is. Main common denominator with these things.
 
Re: School shooting in Maryville, Washington

KevinKohler said:
Why the **** is this happening? Why the **** is this happening? Why the **** is the happening? Instead of partisan bull****, why aren't we collectively asking, why the **** is this happening, and then honestly and openly seeking an answer, no matter where it leads us?


Is it a prevalence of guns? Nonsense. Guns were more prevalent per capita in past eras, and this **** was not common.

Is it video games? I think no, but I don't really know? I mean, I play video games. And I've never shot up a school.

Is it bullying? Is bullying something new? Has bullying gotten worse? Is it because it's all online now?

Is it copy catting? Like, gee wiz, my life sucks, I'm gonna go all columbine on someone? Had this latest shooter even heard of columbine?

What are we doing wrong as parents? How are we erring so badly that are kids are homicidal maniacs?
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School shootings are not common. But we have always had school shootings in this country. Sometimes it jealousy sometimes if some kid who couldn't handle being bullied or its revenge for something else. Heck the first school documented school shooting was pissed off Indians. The only difference between now and say the 1980s,1880s or before then is that the media is trying to exploit these stories for political reasons. This is why when someone uses a gun to save people the hero gets little to no mention by the media. But if some scumbag shoots up a school the media will turn that piece of **** into a celebrity in order to push some sort of anti-2nd amendment agenda.

List of school shootings in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Re: School shooting in Maryville, Washington

KevinKohler said:
Why the **** is this happening? Why the **** is this happening? Why the **** is the happening? Instead of partisan bull****, why aren't we collectively asking, why the **** is this happening, and then honestly and openly seeking an answer, no matter where it leads us?
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One could ask the same question about a whole lot of issues. Why indeed?

KevinKohler said:
Is it a prevalence of guns? Nonsense. Guns were more prevalent per capita in past eras, and this **** was not common.
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Highly unlikely, for the reason you just gave.

KevinKohler said:
Is it video games? I think no, but I don't really know? I mean, I play video games. And I've never shot up a school.
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That we don't know. Violent video games are something new, and may not affect everyone the same way.

KevinKohler said:
Is it bullying? Is bullying something new? Has bullying gotten worse? Is it because it's all online now?
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It's nothing new. It was a problem when I was in school, too.

KevinKohler said:
Is it copy catting? Like, gee wiz, my life sucks, I'm gonna go all columbine on someone? Had this latest shooter even heard of columbine?
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I think that may be a big factor. Everyone has heard of shootings. Most of us are appalled, some say, "Hey, that's cool! I think I'll do it too!"
KevinKohler said:
What are we doing wrong as parents? How are we erring so badly that are kids are homicidal maniacs?
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I don't know. Is it parenting? Maybe. Is it a lack of discipline? A lack of positive example? These are the legitimate questions. Instead, we'll hear partisan hackery and calls to outlaw guns.
 
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SMTA said:
Not really - it has been a constant decline for some years now.

We might as well remove 'One nation under God' from the pledge of Allegiance, as we surely don't act like it these days.
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Relatively new in the sense that the consequences of this disconnect have started to manifest themselves in things like School shootings over the last 20 years
 
 
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Fenton said:
Relatively new in the sense that the consequences of this disconnect have started to manifest themselves in things like School shootings over the last 20 years
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Ah, residual effect.

Excellent, excellent point.

Well done!
 
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Goshin said:
Honest answer? Most people won't like it.


We've spent close to 40 years teaching children....

... that they're super-special snowflakes who are entitled to everything good...

... that they're just highly evolved animals, not immortal souls...

... that there is no God, or if there is there is no judgment by him...

... that it is okay to kill innocent babies in the womb if they are inconvenient...

.... that things like the 10 Commandments are outdated and all morality is relative....


... and then we wonder why stuff like this happens?
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Goshin said:
Honest answer? Most people won't like it.


We've spent close to 40 years teaching children....

... that they're super-special snowflakes who are entitled to everything good...

... that they're just highly evolved animals, not immortal souls...

... that there is no God, or if there is there is no judgment by him...

... that it is okay to kill innocent babies in the womb if they are inconvenient...

.... that things like the 10 Commandments are outdated and all morality is relative....


... and then we wonder why stuff like this happens?
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I don't know what caused the shooting, but if there's one thing I do know, it's that a lot of people will line up to blame it on their favorite political peeves.
 
Re: School shooting in Maryville, Washington

Lachean said:
Don't blame the parent's, don't blame society, don't blame video games or guns, blame the perpetrator. Why did this happen? Because insane people are among us; we can do little to stop such an act from ever happening again.

Edit: Godlessness? Really? :roll:
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In the past a more universal shared belief in a higher power helped to define the distinctions between good and evil for kids that were frustrated, confus or easily influenced.

Instead of looking inward and finding nothing but more pain a child brought up believing in something larger than himself had a better chance of receiving counsel or could turn to prayer instead of taking out his frustrations on his innocent classmates.

Now, we shun religion in schools and try to medicate these problems away.

Its no wonder why we're having these issues.
 
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Fenton said:
In the past a more universal shared belief in a higher power helped to define the distinctions between good and evil for kids that were frustrated, confus or easily influenced.

Instead of looking inward and finding nothing but more pain a child brought up believing in something larger than himself had a better chance of receiving counsel or could turn to prayer instead of taking out his frustrations on his innocent classmates.

Now, we shun religion in schools and try to medicate these problems away.

Its no wonder why we're having these issues.
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I went to public schools from 1948 to 1960. Never, in all those 12 years, did the teacher ever preach religion or try to turn us to god, anyone's god.

Yet, we didn't have those issues back then.

Maybe the reason isn't really that schools have "shunned religion."
 
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Dittohead not! said:
I went to public schools from 1948 to 1960. Never, in all those 12 years, did the teacher ever preach religion or try to turn us to god, anyone's god.

Yet, we didn't have those issues back then.

Maybe the reason isn't really that schools have "shunned religion."
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The most laughable thing about Fenton's post is that we actually had more wars in that golden era when people were more religious. Hell, read the Bible, Koran or Torah anytime you want and you'll find that out of every 10 pages, at least 2-3 are filled with violence and wars.
 
Re: School shooting in Maryville, Washington

Dittohead not! said:
I went to public schools from 1948 to 1960. Never, in all those 12 years, did the teacher ever preach religion or try to turn us to god, anyone's god.

Yet, we didn't have those issues back then.

Maybe the reason isn't really that schools have "shunned religion."
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Maybe not you personally.

I was speaking in a general sense. A societal sense where we've turned away from God.

And I went to school in the 70s and 80s and I remember prayer groups and a much more open reception to a belief in God .

You take God, or a belief in God away from a a struggling kid and what have you left them with ?

His own arbitrary definitions of right and wrong that are influenced by everything corrupt in this world.

You're also left with one lonely kid.

As a Christian I see a World corrupted by the Devil-Evil. But the Devil corrupts through men and men have corrupted this world outright.

I hate to think of a kid who only has the examples of human mistakes built up over thousands of years to guide him through his toughest times.

Like I said, its a lonely and tragic way to live.
 
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Hatuey said:
The most laughable thing about Fenton's post is that we actually had more wars in that golden era when people were more religious. Hell, read the Bible, Koran or Torah anytime you want and you'll find that out of every 10 pages, at least 2-3 are filled with violence and wars.
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Somehow, preaching the religion of peace doesn't seem to make people any more peaceful, does it?
 
Re: School shooting in Maryville, Washington

Goshin said:
Honest answer? Most people won't like it.


We've spent close to 40 years teaching children....

... that they're super-special snowflakes who are entitled to everything good...

... that they're just highly evolved animals, not immortal souls...

... that there is no God, or if there is there is no judgment by him...

... that it is okay to kill innocent babies in the womb if they are inconvenient...

.... that things like the 10 Commandments are outdated and all morality is relative....


... and then we wonder why stuff like this happens?
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You respond to a post that mentions bullying, and in that very response you pick on nonchristians. Charming.
 
Re: School shooting in Maryville, Washington

Hatuey said:
The most laughable thing about Fenton's post is that we actually had more wars in that golden era when people were more religious. Hell, read the Bible, Koran or Torah anytime you want and you'll find that out of every 10 pages, at least 2-3 are filled with violence and wars.
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Lol !

Yes, I figured someone would reach back into the crusades eventually.

Starting from 1914-1976, how many people died due to war, famine and genocide ?

Include Rwanda and if you want.

You care to venture a guess ?
 
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Fenton said:
Lol !

Yes, I figured someone would reach back into the crusades eventually.

Starting from 1914-1976, how many people died due to war, famine and genocide ?

Include Rwanda and if you want.

You care to venture a guess ?
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About 150,000,000 give or take.. but hey lets not let facts get in the way.
 
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Damn sad no matter what his reasons were.

By the way, it sucks sending 3 kids off to high school every day and not know if theirs will be the unlucky school that has a student who goes off the rails with a gun that day.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Somehow, preaching the religion of peace doesn't seem to make people any more peaceful, does it?
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Teaching any religion doesn't make anyone more peaceful. Africa had Christianity shoved down its throat for 100+ years and if you take a look at some of the political movements in the country, they all wave their Christian credentials proudly. Hell, the conquest of America, along with all of its raping and murder, wouldn't have been possible without Europeans waving Christian crosses as an excuse. The claim that we have somehow become more violent than our ancestors is patently false, that we've done so because we no longer are connected to a 'god' is absurd.
 
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Gringo allstar said:
About 150,000,000 give or take.. but hey lets not let facts get in the way.
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Yep, and those wars were predicated on the clear distinctions between right and wrong and Good and Evil.

The left so wants to blur those lines and move everyone into the gray areas of moral equivalency.

That comes with consequences unfortunately.
 
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Fenton said:
Lol !

Yes, I figured someone would reach back into the crusades eventually.

Starting from 1914-1976, how many people died due to war, famine and genocide ?

Include Rwanda and if you want.

You care to venture a guess ?
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I also love how atheists just assume every conflict before WW1 was always about religion. You know like every time Rome went to war it was for Jesus Christ.
 
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I do not think that a single issue is the cause but instead a multitude of things.

I feel that we are often to easy on our children today. In past generations life was a lot harder for children from a very early age. They often saw death firsthand due to war and/or illness, they worked with their parents once they were old enough to walk, hunger was not uncommon, ect. Now children largely spend their time in safe clean environments without needing to work long hard jobs or starve. Their little minds seems to be occupied by how best to entertain themselves instead of how best to survive. As a result I feel many are mentally unprepared when something doesn't go according to how they wish it. When something in their life gets difficult they do not know how to cope and will lash out with a over reaction to solve the problem.
 
Re: School shooting in Maryville, Washington

SMTA said:
Not really - it has been a constant decline for some years now.

We might as well remove 'One nation under God' from the pledge of Allegiance, as we surely don't act like it these days.
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Might as well because it wasn't there in the first place. Written by a socialist minister who wanted equality in there but of course the God fearing people of that time certainly didn't consider minorities or women equal and weren't about to accept it.

Funny on this turning away from God thing causing school shootings. I guess we should be more like the middle eastern countries where "God" is revered and there is no violence.:doh
 
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Hatuey said:
Teaching any religion doesn't make anyone more peaceful. Africa had Christianity shoved down its throat for 100+ years and if you take a look at some of the political movements in the country, they all wave their Christian credentials proudly. Hell, the conquest of America, along with all of its raping and murder, wouldn't have been possible without Europeans waving Christian crosses as an excuse. The claim that we have somehow become more violent than our ancestors is patently false, that we've done so because we no longer are connected to a 'god' is absurd.
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I would agree we haven't become more violent, mankinds history is pretty pathetic. I think one of the things that is a dividing line between Left and Right is their view of human nature. The left in general believes mankind is inherently good while the right believes men are inherently evil and cannot be trusted.
 
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Anyone who talks about gun control here will be swept off their feet.
 
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