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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you apparently cannot remember what I said about cruikshank

    the court said the right recognized was a PRE EXISTING RIGHT that was not CREATED By the 2A but merely recognized by it

    I have no idea what the rest of your blather is about but it appears to be as erroneous as your claims about my views on Cruikshank
    Apparently your love affair with one decision during the darker days of the Court is not shared by others here. A pre-existing right? So if belief in natural rights is a belief which exists only in somebodys head - just what right is it that is being exercised or used or enjoyed in the real world by real people?
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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Apparently your love affair with one decision during the darker days of the Court is not shared by others here. A pre-existing right? So if belief in natural rights is a belief which exists only in somebodys head - just what right is it that is being exercised or used or enjoyed in the real world by real people?
    do you admit or deny that the bill of rights was premised on the concept of inalienable rights?



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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You are talking through your hat. Come back and report on the results when we have a national system of registration combined with background checks on all weapons purchases. Until then - its you who are toeing the company line of the NRA and the gun lobby.
    I have no duty to justify why I don't support a proposed law that is unconstitutional

    the ENTIRE BURDEN is on people like you to justify its existence

    you cannot



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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    do you admit or deny that the bill of rights was premised on the concept of inalienable rights?
    Define inalienable rights according to your belief system.
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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I have no duty to justify why I don't support a proposed law that is unconstitutional

    the ENTIRE BURDEN is on people like you to justify its existence

    you cannot
    How does one tell you that a system works that we do not yet have?

    This is yet another example of how the supporters of the gun lobby ask for things to be proven that they know cannot be done because it is impossible to do so. And in doing so it is blatantly intellectually fraudulent to attempt such a tactic.

    But tell us all Turtle - since you now concede that a belief in natural rights exists only in the belief system of the believer, can you explain how at the same time you can assert that these rights are "pre-existing" since a right which exists only as a belief cannot be exercised or used or enjoyed in reality in our world?
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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Define inalienable rights according to your belief system.
    ones that mean Shall not be infringed means no infringement by the government those men were creating



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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    In argument circles, that would be called a strawman argument. Show me where I said anything about having a tyrant at all.
    Boo, you never fail to disappoint.

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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Boo, you never fail to disappoint.
    I do my best, but I do challenge you to show where I said anything of the kind. If it's there you should be able to show it.

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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I do my best, but I do challenge you to show where I said anything of the kind. If it's there you should be able to show it.
    I don't think I will bother. Your views are not going to change. You like being an authoritarian statist. You will remain one.

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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

    Meanwhile terrible news... Not that most of you will notice...

    CNN) -- A third victim of last week's shooting at a Washington state high school has died, according to the hospital that treated victims.
    Fourteen-year-old Shaylee Chuckulnaskit died Friday night at Providence Regional Medical Center, not far from Marysville Pilchuck High School, where she and four other students were gunned down last Friday as they sat in the school cafeteria.
    "The entire Providence family is deeply saddened by this news and we extend our heartfelt sympathy to Shaylee's family," the medical center said, added that the teenager known as Shay "passed away ... as a result of severe injuries from last Friday's school shooting."
    God damn it anyway. God what a beautiful young woman. What a ****ing shame.

    Third victim dies from Washington school shooting - CNN.com

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