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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

    Quote Originally Posted by mrmacq View Post
    .
    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the
    security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"
    (mines got a lot more commas than yours )
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    "With its convoluted phrasing and clauses whose relation to each other is fuzzy, the
    amendment begs a number of questions. What makes a "militia", and what makes it "well
    regulated"? Who are the "people"? What kinds of "arms" can be kept and borne? Most crucially,
    does this amendment's second half refer to all citizens, or only to members of a militia?"
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    The Supreme Court's 1939 decision, while murky, affirmed that the amendment's purpose is to guarantee
    an effective militia. In subsequent cases, the Court found that the National Guard is the equivalent
    of earlier militias. Ten circuit courts have agreed, finding that Miller refers to individuals serving
    in well-regulated militias.
    .
    its always a matter of perspective
    and before I'm accused of being anti firearm please understand I own three
    ...which I must admit I haven't stroked for sometime now...I should really go see to their needs soon
    most of those circuit cases involved the gorilla in the room-the tenth amendment problems and used a dishonest interpretation of CRUIKSHANK



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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

    Quote Originally Posted by mrmacq View Post
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    or
    I have a completely different understanding of it
    and
    anything YOU will say about the constitution (needs to be tossed) to the rubbish heap
    .
    actually that was a cheap shot from you
    as your constitution involves a tad more than just the second
    yet you label this one difference in viewpoint as my not understand the entire thing
    this makes no sense. The 2A was intended to recognize a right of the people-individually and collectively, to keep and bear arms. It was not intended, in any way, to delegate power to the federal government



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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

    Quote Originally Posted by mrmacq View Post
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    "Registration systems also create accountability for firearm owners and discourage illegal sales.

    Firearm registration laws can lead to the identification and prosecution of violent criminals by helping law enforcement quickly and reliably “trace” (identify the source of) firearms recovered from crime scenes. Firearm registration laws create comprehensive records of firearm ownership, which include a full description of each firearm and identify the owner. Comprehensive registration laws also require a firearm to be re-registered whenever title to the firearm is transferred, and law enforcement to be notified whenever the weapon is lost or stolen. As a result, registration laws help law enforcement quickly and reliably identify the owner of any firearm used in a crime."
    ...
    I honestly can not see why this is such a hassle to you
    its a relatively simple procedure
    ...but then again I'm not the paranoid type
    complete horsecrap. There is no evidence that registration does anything useful. The government should not know who has what firearms. where did you get that crap-it sounds like a talking point of some statist idiot



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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

    Quote Originally Posted by mrmacq View Post
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    "a well REGULATED militia..."
    ...rather intellectually lazy and silly wouldn't you say?
    so you are back to claiming the 2A delegates power to the federal government

    again that completely destroys your opinion on anything to do with constitutional construction



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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

    Quote Originally Posted by mrmacq View Post
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    so you should be allowed to sell to whomever you choose
    and screw the general population if it happens to fall into the "wrong" hands
    the gang banger out for payback
    the psychotic wanting to do in your next prez
    or the confused youth bent on payback for deemed wrongs (topic of this thread)
    so long as it doesn't inconvenience you
    .
    ya know...registration/background checks would (while not being all that strenuous) alleviate a lot of the problems youre having down there
    but I get it
    that's their responsibility
    there should be no federal laws whatsoever

    the state certainly has the power to say those convicted of felonies cannot own firearms

    examine the war on drugs and get back to me



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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so you are back to claiming the 2A delegates power to the federal government

    again that completely destroys your opinion on anything to do with constitutional construction
    The phrase gives the reasoning for and allows for some regulation.

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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The phrase gives the reasoning for and allows for some regulation.
    complete lie. your understanding of the constitution is apparently deficient. show me where in the constitution itself that power was honestly and distinctly granted the federal government

    well regulated meant a militia in working order. it says nothing about regulating small arms



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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so you are back to claiming the 2A delegates power to the federal government

    again that completely destroys your opinion on anything to do with constitutional construction
    .
    was this "constitution" not written for ALL the people?
    whichever state you happen to reside in?
    is it also not called "the constitution of the united states"?
    so it must be then that it was written for a central power to exercise that control
    and then theres your individual constitutions
    .
    ya know
    you seem big on saying the same thing over and over again without giving your justifications on why it is
    that you feel it differently
    ...besides you missed the point
    you had stated something along the lines of "doesn't mean they get to regulate it"
    (I don't have your exact quote)
    when the word appears right there in the wording...REGULATE

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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

    Quote Originally Posted by mrmacq View Post
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    was this "constitution" not written for ALL the people?
    whichever state you happen to reside in?
    is it also not called "the constitution of the united states"?
    so it must be then that it was written for a central power to exercise that control
    and then theres your individual constitutions
    .
    ya know
    you seem big on saying the same thing over and over again without giving your justifications on why it is
    that you feel it differently
    ...besides you missed the point
    you had stated something along the lines of "doesn't mean they get to regulate it"
    (I don't have your exact quote)
    when the word appears right there in the wording...REGULATE
    your disjointed post makes no sense. you apparently have no education in constitutional law. You are claiming that the 2A is a delegation of power to the federal government rather than being added to specifically restrict the federal government.



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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well regulated meant a militia in working order.
    .
    yes
    I've heard that one as well
    I'm not buying it
    whats a militia in working order mean?
    three or more guys that aren't pissed as a nit

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