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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    That's the problem. At the margin, gun are the difference between life or death.
    Sorry you cant see the person holding the gun is the problem. Not the gun.

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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Think about it.
    I mean, the NRA? Seriously? Give your head a shake, laddybuck, you're out of line.
    No thanks, I don't think of anything you say. Sure to lose IQ points doing so.

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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Knives and clubs don't make killing easier? Did you not take any anthropology courses at all? Those were some of the first tools. They were used to make killing easier.
    Knives and clubs may be used for killing but that is not their primary purpose. They aren't designed to be the most efficient killing tool possible.
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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    You seem to be a radical. Are you a member of a "militia?"
    I suppose to an authoritarian statist anyone who believes that the state exists to protect individual liberty and individual freedom will appear radical.

    I am a retired Army officer. You are an enemy non-combatant.

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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    I have fire extinguishers too. On the "remote" chance I will need it.
    They aren't a source of significant collateral damage.
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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    Guns are made for killing. They're made to make killing fast, safe and easy. When a disturbed person reaches the critical point, an easily available gun makes the killing much, much more possible.
    Blaming the tool (in this case a gun) and easy availability (in this case it was taken from his father) ignores the larger issue (criminal intent/mental illness). Killing is possible using many different tools/aids, of which guns are certainly included, that are common in many households.

    Guns are equally capable of stopping someone "disturbed" from killing others (also done in this case, although self inflicted and done too late in the process). The very reason that police have guns issued to them (in addition to non-lethal tools) is that they have proven to be very effective in stopping persons that have "reached the critical point" from claiming more victims.

    The idea that anyone, much less the gov't, can accurately predict who will (someday) reach the critical point is virtually impossible and thus the ban (reasonably restrict?) the killing tool idea deprives not only perps but their victims of using that "killing tool". Note that (in this case) the gun was owned by the parent - should guns no longer be available to parents?
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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    They also took up the issue of an armed citizenry as the second order of business, which suggests it was a critical right they intended be preserved as a foundational aspect of the country.
    Yes, for defense of the country. The world with different then and an armed citizen militia was necessary. So, no, as things have changed we have no reason to believe they wouldn't have changed as well.

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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    They aren't a source of significant collateral damage.
    So you are fine with my family being slaughtered, just as long as no one gets hurt by me defending them.

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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    Knives and clubs may be used for killing but that is not their primary purpose. They aren't designed to be the most efficient killing tool possible.
    That is not what I said is it? Additionally...a CLUB IS designed to be a killing tool. So are many knives. And they ARE efficient. Hell guns are not the most efficient killing tools. Artillery, bombs, explosives are. So what the hell is the point here? You are trying to argue that guns are the only thing that kills people?

    But hey. Keep dancing on the graves of kids. We all know you hate the NRA and that is why this is about guns to you. It isn't about helping anyone. If it was...you would be asking questions like...what is it about our society that has reduced people's ability to cope with the simplest problems?
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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, for defense of the country. The world with different then and an armed citizen militia was necessary. So, no, as things have changed we have no reason to believe they wouldn't have changed as well.
    This is a common anti gun meme that is so fundamentally wrong in its thinking that one barely knows where to start...But I see you as a reasonably educated man Boo, if not exasperating in the concept of being able to understand that which disagrees with your own world view in terms of ideology, or ability to open your mind to the concept that your ideology may be reflexively wrong on anything. In any case, even though you will probably dismiss this, I would like you to consider, if you can this quote, and tell me why YOU, should have the hubris to tell ME that I don't posses the right to self defense with the legal weapon of MY choice...

    "The underpinnings of the classical liberal belief in an armed people are obscure to us because we are not accustomed to thinking about political issues in criminological terms. But the classical liberal worldview was criminological, for lack of a better word. It held that good citizens must always be prepared to defend themselves and their society against criminal usurpation - a characterization no less applicable to tyrannical ministers or pillaging foreign or domestic soldiery (who were, in point of fact, largely composed of criminals inducted from gaols [9] ) than to apolitical outlaws.

    To natural law philosophers, self-defense was "the primary law of nature", the primary reason for man entering society. [10] Indeed, it was viewed as not just a right but a positive duty: God gives Man both life and the means to defend it; the refusal to do so reviles God's gift; in effect it is a Judeo- Christian form of hubris. Indicative of the intellectual gulf between that era and our own is that Montesquieu could rhetorically ask a question that today might be seriously posed, "Who does not see that self-protection is a duty superior to every precept?" [11]"

    https://www.firearmsandliberty.com/k...rotection.html
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