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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Not to worry, the Founding Fathers created an instrument to protect society from people who think like you.
    The Constitution is not a suicide pact.
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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    If you really believed the crap you spew you'd be afraid to spew it lest some gun owner would shoot you

    that you constantly insult gun owners means you really don't believe the vast majority of them are anywhere near as dangerous as you pretend we are. ...
    That's interesting.

    You seem to be implying your gun rights are superior to my speech rights.

    Here's a recent article which discusses that kind of attitude: When Guns Trample Speech, Do We Have a Democracy?

    The problem with the kind of Second Amendment absolutism stoked by the NRA and made into law by legislators and judges is that gun rights taken to extremes inherently imperil other rights. The raisons d’ętre of guns not used for hunting are self-defense and intimidation. A society where guns are unregulated and the threat of gun violence cannot be legally checked is a society where intimidation becomes the norm and freedom of speech can be easily abridged.

    The Constitution is not frictionless machine in which all the parts move harmoniously together. Some of the rights it guarantees collide with other rights it guarantees. The elevation of the Second Amendment into a super-right has now diminished others—including those that the founders quite deliberately put first.
    Are you saying gun possessors are a kind of first class citizen and all non-possessors are second class citizens?
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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    The Constitution is not a suicide pact.
    Correct. Tyranny and defense were so important, it was the second issue our Founding Fathers addressed. Allowing citizens to be left defenseless against the two was a potential form of suicide they would not allow to be abdicated to those who might demand it.

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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Correct. Tyranny and defense were so important, it was the second issue our Founding Fathers addressed. Allowing citizens to be left defenseless against the two was a potential form of suicide they would not allow to be abdicated to those who might demand it.
    That's why they reserved the right to control the military to the People.
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    Re: School shooting in Maryville, Washington

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    Did you actually read it? Definitely NOT debunked! Seems there is a difference of opinion regarding the control of other factors and the data available. Anything on Romania where the reverse happened in 1966?
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    Re: School shooting in Maryville, Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by Hari Seldon View Post
    Did you actually read it? Definitely NOT debunked! Seems there is a difference of opinion regarding the control of other factors and the data available. Anything on Romania where the reverse happened in 1966?
    I've read it several times, I've also read the sources the article cites. The freakonomics assertion is ridiculously flawed and ignores a whole host of factors.
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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysvi...

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    No chance:



    You wanted to start talking about guns right away.
    What I wanted to do was match your prediction with one of my own. And it was right on the money. And that is what irritates you so much.

    This isn't about gun free zones
    But it inevitably seems to get there jut the same in these discussions. And that is what my comment attempted to expose and another poster willingly supplied the proof.

    I really do not know what you are so angry about? The body count was very small and it would take a Sandy Hook type event ever month for at least a year - maybe even two - for the sheer political power of the NRA to be neutralized.

    So rest easy.
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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    That's why they reserved the right to control the military to the People.
    And allowed the People to protect themselves from the Military and others who would want them defenseless. And as our Founding Fathers predicted, there will be people like you who want them that way, so they took care of that as their second order of business.

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    Re: Breaking: Investigators are responding to reported school shooting in Marysville,

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    Marysville Pilchuck HS. One of my former schools. Details sketchy

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    Re: School shooting in Maryville, Washington

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I've read it several times, I've also read the sources the article cites. The freakonomics assertion is ridiculously flawed and ignores a whole host of factors.
    No it doesn't. You just want that to be so. Freakonomics » Abortion and crime: who should you believe?
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