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Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops

Fair enough. You first. Do muslim acting in the name of faith. I'll do Christians. (and for the record I am not an athiest and you can find plenty of posts from me defending christianity on this site. I dont hate or dislike christianity or christians. I am simply proving a point).

Target time frame will be the last 10 years.

Being on a phone makes research challenging but let's start here
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/americanattacks.htm
 
that doesnt answer my question. I am asking you to clarify what you are implying.
Dood I don't imply anything. I am pretty direct. I care about targeting the perpetrators of ALL violent acts. I want to see draconian mandatory minimum sentencing laws for A L L violent criminal acts. How about you?
 
You made the claim. It is your responsibility to back it up.

Since you somehow are blind to hate groups in our country

Which states have the most hate groups?

The SPLC lists these states as having the highest number of active hate groups:

California (77)
Florida (58)
Texas (57)
Georgia (50)
New Jersey (44)
New York (42)
Pennsylvania (41)
By comparison, Kansas had five active hate groups on the list: Crew 38 (racist skinhead, Wichita), Loyal White Knights of the KKK, Midland Hammerskins (racist skinhead, Wichita), National Socialist Movement (Neo-Nazi, Lansing), Westboro Baptist Church (anti-LGBT, Topeka).

The SPLC has a map listing the groups active in each state.

What hate ideologies attract the most followers?

The SPLC lists these ideologies as spawning the highest number of active hate groups:

KKK (163)
Neo-Nazi (143)
White Nationalist (128)
Racist Skinhead (126)
Christian Identity (37)
Neo-Confederate (36)
Black Separatist (115)
General Hate (191)




Some 33,000 violent street gangs, motorcycle gangs, and prison gangs with about 1.4 million members are criminally active in the U.S. today. Many are sophisticated and well organized; all use violence to control neighborhoods and boost their illegal money-making activities, which include robbery, drug and gun trafficking, fraud, extortion, and prostitution rings



And that isnt even counting many of the organized crime syndicates in the country. That is just street gangs and hate groups operating in the United States who are known to encourage violence against Americans from their members.
 
Dood I don't imply anything. I am pretty direct. I care about targeting the perpetrators of ALL violent acts. I want to see draconian mandatory minimum sentencing laws for A L L violent criminal acts. How about you?

pretty direct my ass. Ive asked you twice. Still no straight answer.

I have been saying since the first page of this thread that his faith doesn't matter. His actions did. Many others that are making this about Muslims, again.
 
I am not avoiding anything.

Of course you are. You prefer to blindly go about whistling by the graveyard rather than let it be spoken that some Muslims are murderous extremists who want to destroy western society.
 
Of course you are. You prefer to blindly go about whistling by the graveyard rather than let it be spoken that some Muslims are murderous extremists who want to destroy western society.

And as I keep pointing out there are many more people of any other classification who are committing acts of terror in the United States art a much higher level that ISIS who I dont think has killed more than a couple people on US soil. It has nothing to do with the muslim faith, and everything to do with people who hate and want to cause death using religion as an excuse.
 
And as I keep pointing out there are many more people of any other classification who are committing acts of terror in the United States art a much higher level that ISIS who I dont think has killed more than a couple people on US soil. It has nothing to do with the muslim faith, and everything to do with people who hate and want to cause death using religion as an excuse.

And yet, your first comments on this thread were to dismiss the Muslim extremism angle of this and other incidents and claim it's "a political scare tactic". That implies that you believe it's a manufacture issue - you couldn't be more wrong.
 
pretty direct my ass. Ive asked you twice. Still no straight answer.

I have been saying since the first page of this thread that his faith doesn't matter. His actions did. Many others that are making this about Muslims, again.

His faith DOES matter. Not his Muslim faith but his fundamentalist adherence to the faith. Muslims don't kill cops with hatchets. Fundamentalist Muslims do. Muslims don't run down Canadian soldiers or shoot up parliament. Fundamentalist Muslims do. Muslims don't hang a group of gay men from a bridge. Fundamentalist Muslims do. Muslims don't kill their children in an act of honor killing. Fundamentalist Muslims do. Muslims don't set of bombs during the Boston Marathon. Fundamentalist Muslims do.

You get the picture. It's easy to see why people like Bill Maher lose their minds over liberals and their knee jerk need to defend 'Muslims'.
 
His faith DOES matter. Not his Muslim faith but his fundamentalist adherence to the faith. Muslims don't kill cops with hatchets. Fundamentalist Muslims do. Muslims don't run down Canadian soldiers or shoot up parliament. Fundamentalist Muslims do. Muslims don't hang a group of gay men from a bridge. Fundamentalist Muslims do. Muslims don't kill their children in an act of honor killing. Fundamentalist Muslims do. Muslims don't set of bombs during the Boston Marathon. Fundamentalist Muslims do.

You get the picture. It's easy to see why people like Bill Maher lose their minds over liberals and their knee jerk need to defend 'Muslims'.

Can you rationally separate the extremist and regular Muslims as two different groups?
 
Of course you are. You prefer to blindly go about whistling by the graveyard rather than let it be spoken that some Muslims are murderous extremists who want to destroy western society.

Some Muslims? Yes. But that doesn't make it about the religion.

The same people who lose their minds if you suggest that the words of one commentator reflects all conservatives are all about how it's all Muslims
 
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Right. Nice try. Dishonest, but nice try.

Grand dragon...democrat before and after. Based on what Malcolm X said about democrats and blacks...I'd say it was spot on.
 
Some Muslims? Yes. But that doesn't make it about the religion.

The same people who lose their minds if you suggest that the words of one commentator reflects all conservatives.

Good evening Rocket,

Of course it makes it about the religion - to ignore that component is foolish. There are many within the religion using the vulnerable to assist in furthering their aims. Suicide bombers are a prime example. Do you think people become human bombs just because they're mentally unstable? Or is it more likely that many who are mentally unstable succome to the draw of religious martyrdom at the behest of Muslim clerics and others who pervert the religion?

Many on the left, perhaps yourself included, like to claim that gun ownership should be banned or severely restricted because some mentally unstable individuals use weapons to harm or kill humans, ignoring the fact that the vast majority of gun owners in the US are upstanding, honest, law abiding citizens. And yet, they/you claim that the gun is the problem - the root cause. Why are they/you so squeamish about identifying Islamic teachings as a root cause in these such incidents?
 
Grand dragon...democrat before and after. Based on what Malcolm X said about democrats and blacks...I'd say it was spot on.

This?

Digital History

In Washington D.C., in the House of Representatives, there are 257 who are Democrats; only 177 are Republican. In the Senate there are 67 Democrats; only 33 are Republicans. The Party that you backed controls two-thirds of the House of Representatives and the Senate, and still they can’t keep their promise to you, 'cause you’re a chump. Anytime you throw your weight behind a political party that controls two-thirds of the government, and that Party can’t keep the promise that it made to you during election time, and you’re dumb enough to walk around continuing to identify yourself with that Party, you’re not only a chump, but you’re a traitor to your race.

Or this from the same speech which attacked both Democrats and Republicans?

I’m no politician. I’m not even a student of politics. I’m not a Republican, nor a Democrat, nor an American, and got sense enough to know it. I’m one of the 22 million black victims of the Democrats, one of the 22 million black victims of the Republicans, and one of the 22 million black victims of Americanism.

Cherrypick wisely.
 
There is a difference between unrepentant racists like Byron dele beckwith, and people like Robert Byrd.

There's also a difference by hurting individual blacks and devastating an entire community for generations. Senator Byrd made Grand Dragon Byrd look like a piker.
 
This?

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Or this from the same speech which attacked both Democrats and Republicans?



Cherrypick wisely.

Yep...that's what happens when 97% of your voting population blindly give their support to one party based on he myth and lie that they care about you. Geezus...they have been consistently ****ed for 50 years and haven't even gotten flowers. But...on the plus side they DID get a street named after MLK in every major city.
 
Yep...that's what happens when 97% of your voting population blindly give their support to one party based on he myth and lie that they care about you. Geezus...they have been consistently ****ed for 50 years and haven't even gotten flowers. But...on the plus side they DID get a street named after MLK in every major city.

Lol:

Would you the collective purchasing power of blacks is lower today than the 1940s?
Would you say that educated blacks are at an all time high or all time low?
Would you say poverty in the black population is higher now than the 1940s?

Blacks gave their support for 100 years to Republicans and all they got out of it was conscription, the projects and high crime rates. Again, cherrypick wisely.
 
Lol:

Would you the collective purchasing power of blacks is lower today than the 1940s?
Would you say that educated blacks are at an all time high or all time low?
Would you say poverty in the black population is higher now than the 1940s?

Blacks gave their support for 100 years to Republicans and all they got out of it was conscription, the projects and high crime rates. Again, cherrypick wisely.

Id say collectively black Americans lead the nation in every category on the misery index, fill prisons and unemployment lines, and it's the same tired pathetic race baiting politics taut have gone on over the last 50 years that causes us to still have these conversations.
 
If it were a catholic who did it I think we'd be seeing more of the opposite. Even if they yelled "IN CHRISTS NAME I STRIKE THEE" before axing the guy while wearing a priests robe. You'd see more conservatives saying how its a small number of catholics or christians committing these acts and more liberals pointing out that Christianity is evil.

Huh, I would think we'd see many more liberals demanding the "extremist right wing" be made illegal by executive fiat.
 
If it were a catholic who did it I think we'd be seeing more of the opposite. Even if they yelled "IN CHRISTS NAME I STRIKE THEE" before axing the guy while wearing a priests robe. You'd see more conservatives saying how its a small number of catholics or christians committing these acts and more liberals pointing out that Christianity is evil.

That's OK...in your response to the challenge I have no doubt you will be presenting the vast numbers of fundamentalist extremists in the US that you claim is doing just that so we can compare the cases and responses.
 
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