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Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops

Kreton said:
There are a lot of people and groups in this world, and in this country that encourage attacking people. Its amazing how quickly you people buy into this ****. Time and time again. Be afraid. Be very afraid. The muslims are coming. BOO!
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Can you name some of these groups/people and some of the attacks they've carried out recently? You seem to be well up on the subject so it should be easy to link some examples.
 
CanadaJohn said:
It's an interesting question, but I'd say most crime is committed in the personal self-interest of the criminal - either to avenge a perceived wrong committed against the individual or to acquire property/money they could not or did not otherwise attempt to earn.

With crimes committed by Muslims, they are usually exceedingly violent, entirely random, and the purpose is always in the name of Allah. A Muslim who robs a liquor store in order to gain cash for himself or his family wouldn't be news - A Muslim who tries to chop of the head of a liquor store clerk, all the while yelling Allah Akbar is a whole other issue and rightly should be pointed out.
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It should be pointed out when they commit a crime yes. But no more than someone chopping off a head and yelling anything else. The persons religion doesn't really matter.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Can you name some of these groups/people and some of the attacks they've carried out recently? You seem to be well up on the subject so it should be easy to link some examples.
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You arent capable of finding groups who encourage crime in the United States? Or violent organizations in the United States? I think your google works.
 
OK, you guys are right, I can go with that. how many deaths were caused in US by any sort of Muslim vs Gun crime and why isnt the outrage proportional?
Apocalypse said:
I would ask how many deaths is radical Islam responsible for in the US since ISIS like al-Qaeda and the rest of those organizations are branches of the same poisonous tree.
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Kreton said:
It should be pointed out when they commit a crime yes. But no more than someone chopping off a head and yelling anything else. The persons religion doesn't really matter.
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That's just idiotic, especially when the person's religion is the announced motive.
 
Kreton said:
You arent capable of finding groups who encourage crime in the United States? Or violent organizations in the United States? I think your google works.
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You're the one who claimed that lots of groups are encouraging and committing violent crimes in the US similar to those spewing radical Islam. Your unwillingness to prove or validate your charge simply proves you pulled that nonsense out of your ass.
 
mak2 said:
OK, you guys are right, I can go with that. how many deaths were caused in US by any sort of Muslim vs Gun crime and why isnt the outrage proportional?
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What is defined as gun crime?
Islamic terrorists also use guns, so?

When comparing murders I would go with motivation.
How many people were killed because they were parking in another person's spot for example in comparison to how many people were killed because Allah requested it from the crazy radical Muslim.
 
VanceMack said:
If there is an increase in attacks by Muslim fundamentalists in the country then it is at least relevant and newsworthy.

Rather comical watching the usual crowd rushing in to insist "nothing to see here...move along......."
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It is sort of funny to watch the statists trip over themselves trying to make excuses for Muslim jihadists, but then again, they share a hatred of America and Western Civilization generally.
 
I ahve no idea and doubt if there is a google way to find out, but I bet there has been about the same number of Muslim murders in US in last 12 months as there has been murders starting with arguments about parking spots and which way the toilet paper comes off the role as there ahs been radical Muslim murders.
Apocalypse said:
What is defined as gun crime?
Islamic terrorists also use guns, so?

When comparing murders I would go with motivation.
How many people were killed because they were parking in another person's spot for example in comparison to how many people were killed because Allah requested it from the crazy radical Muslim.
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mak2 said:
Has Obama called it terrorist attack yet? Cause that is somehow very important.
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We all know this is just an example of " work place violence ".

There is no such thing as terroist attacks post 2008. Not in America.
 
Kreton said:
You interested in comparing the number of violent muslim attacks in this country to the number attacks by Christians? Jews? Whites? Blacks? Males? Females? People over 5 ft tall? People with blonde hair? People with tattoos? People who consider themselves independents?

We have enough crime in this country, and a great variety of people commiting those crimes, that you can pick almost any factor you want. Deosn't matter what it is. And you will find people committing crimes, attacks ect who meet that criteria.
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When the government warns of attacks from those groups you describe then maybe someone will take notice. Law enforcement bulletin warned of ISIS urging jihad attacks on US soil | Fox News
 
What excuse? I have never made a single excuse for anyone who murders someone. What bothers me is the completely out of proportion reactions from the right wing. Soo many murders in US every year, but the RW literally ****s on itself over 4 or 5 perpertrated by Muslims? Why is that?
matchlight said:
It is sort of funny to watch the statists trip over themselves trying to make excuses for Muslim jihadists, but then again, they share a hatred of America and Western Civilization generally.
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Was he at work?
Fenton said:
We all know this is just an example of " work place violence ".

There is no such thing as terroist attacks post 2008. Not in America.
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mak2 said:
I ahve no idea and doubt if there is a google way to find out, but I bet there has been about the same number of Muslim murders in US in last 12 months as there has been murders starting with arguments about parking spots and which way the toilet paper comes off the role as there ahs been radical Muslim murders.
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Well true enough, but I would also consider the potential amount of murdered individuals in Islamic terror attacks as compared to murders that are a result of an argument between two people.
Hell, just in a single day in September 01' nearly 3,000 people were murdered. Every other day in Iraq dozens are being murdered in single attacks, so the potential murder toll is quite higher than other forms of murders.
I'd also point out the fact that those people who are picked for murder by Islamic terrorists are being picked randomly, while in arguments and fights they naturally aren't. This adds to the 'terror' of the act and hence deems it to be more newsworthy.
 
CanadaJohn said:
That's just idiotic, especially when the person's religion is the announced motive.
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That might make sense if 90% of the worlds muslims were out committing acts of violence in the United States ( or anywhere). But I assume you realize that ISIS/muslim extremists make up a very small portion of the muslims in the world right? I would also assume that you are aware that the majority of ISIS/muslim extremists are not in the US? Furthermore the people who I have heard of that have committed acts in the name of these people in the US (just like this guy) were not muslims or members of ISIS or anything for very long. These guys were mentally unstable prior to that.
 
mak2 said:
What excuse? I have never made a single excuse for anyone who murders someone. What bothers me is the completely out of proportion reactions from the right wing. Soo many murders in US every year, but the RW literally ****s on itself over 4 or 5 perpertrated by Muslims? Why is that?
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I don't see how this is "right wing" or even an American problem. This is an international situation and not related to people arguing over a parking space. Isis urges more attacks on Western
 
Kreton said:
That might make sense if 90% of the worlds muslims were out committing acts of violence in the United States ( or anywhere). But I assume you realize that ISIS/muslim extremists make up a very small portion of the muslims in the world right? I would also assume that you are aware that the majority of ISIS/muslim extremists are not in the US? Furthermore the people who I have heard of that have committed acts in the name of these people in the US (just like this guy) were not muslims or members of ISIS or anything for very long. These guys were mentally unstable prior to that.
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What percentage of Muslims in the world support terrorism? The murder of Gays or apostates or women who cimmit adultery. Any idea?
 
It is another issue the RW is all worked up about that is far down the list of concerns. Hell I think what is it now, we will have about 35.000 deaths in motor vehicles in US this year. <10 murders in the last year by people claiming to be terrorist. Comeon you guys can see this.
Grant said:
I don't see how this is "right wing" or even an American problem. This is an international situation and not related to people arguing over a parking space. Isis urges more attacks on Western
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mak2 said:
It is another issue the RW is all worked up about that is far down the list of concerns. Hell I think what is it now, we will have about 35.000 deaths in motor vehicles in US this year. <10 murders in the last year by people claiming to be terrorist. Comeon you guys can see this.
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So now we're comparing between murders and accidents?
So by that logic, natural causes are humanity's biggest enemy and must be fought against with full force, while car accidents aren't really a problem and should really just be ignored.
 
Kreton said:
You interested in comparing the number of violent muslim attacks in this country to the number attacks by Christians? Jews? Whites? Blacks? Males? Females? People over 5 ft tall? People with blonde hair? People with tattoos? People who consider themselves independents?

We have enough crime in this country, and a great variety of people commiting those crimes, that you can pick almost any factor you want. Deosn't matter what it is. And you will find people committing crimes, attacks ect who meet that criteria.
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In the name of religion? people are committing murderous crimes? If an abortion clinic was bombed, it would be all over the news as well for some christian doing it.

Sure there are Christians or whatever doing crimes, but not in the name of a religion inspired by terrorist.
 
mak2 said:
It is another issue the RW is all worked up about that is far down the list of concerns. Hell I think what is it now, we will have about 35.000 deaths in motor vehicles in US this year. <10 murders in the last year by people claiming to be terrorist. Comeon you guys can see this.
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And yet the left wing was very concerned about the number of US fatalities in Iraq. Why did they not use the same comparison between Iraqi casualties and traffic accidents then?

If Leftists could concentrate on just one issue at a time, rather then diverting it to auto safety or parking spaces, perhaps there could be some genuine conversation about the real problems much of the world faces.
 
I am simply pointing out the irrational fears of the RW. It is that simple. Your logic has nothing to do wiht what I am saying.
Apocalypse said:
So now we're comparing between murders and accidents?
So by that logic, natural causes are humanity's biggest enemy and must be fought against with full force, while car accidents aren't really a problem and should really just be ignored.
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Well personally I dont like to see our service men die anywhere. Why did you pick Iraq. We have people die all over the world.
Grant said:
And yet the left wing was very concerned about the number of US fatalities in Iraq. Why did they not use the same comparison between Iraqi casualties and traffic accidents then?

If Leftists could concentrate on just one issue at a time, rather then diverting it to auto safety or parking spaces, perhaps there could be some genuine conversation about the real problems much of the world faces.
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