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    Re: Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Actually no, I am a Christian.
    Ok, but we have attacks on Christian religious freedoms now in this country. I don't think it is unreasonable to place heightened scrutiny on these radicals in this country that are using the political goals of Islam, to recruit, and let loose these lone wolf attackers on our own soil...By hiding behind the cloak of religious freedom, and the paralyzing fear of the left to offend them we are giving them a free pass to kill innocent American's.
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    Re: Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, but we have attacks on Christian religious freedoms now in this country. I don't think it is unreasonable to place heightened scrutiny on these radicals in this country that are using the political goals of Islam, to recruit, and let loose these lone wolf attackers on our own soil...By hiding behind the cloak of religious freedom, and the paralyzing fear of the left to offend them we are giving them a free pass to kill innocent American's.
    How many Islamic "lone wolf" attackers have their actually been and compare that number to lone wolf mass killers who had nothing to do with Islam.

    You are far more likely to die at the hands of a fellow American than this recent paranoia about lone wolf Islamic killers who in Canada by the way, both were self radicalized on the internet and had nothing to do with a Mosque.

    Lone wolves are a nightmare security scenario and they are also a problem you cannot really solve.

    Even the Secret Service admits that Lone Wolves present one of the biggest threats to the President and they're not 100% they could ever fully protect him against one.

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    Re: Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops

    I think a Mosque should have all the legal protections my Church has. Every single one. They should be able to enter a mosque for survillence at exactly the same point they can come to my UCC Church. It has nothing at all to do with political correctness, it has everything to do with my selfish desire to practice MY religion freely as I see fit. I am not aware of my religion being attacked, at you talking about HobbyLobby?
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, but we have attacks on Christian religious freedoms now in this country. I don't think it is unreasonable to place heightened scrutiny on these radicals in this country that are using the political goals of Islam, to recruit, and let loose these lone wolf attackers on our own soil...By hiding behind the cloak of religious freedom, and the paralyzing fear of the left to offend them we are giving them a free pass to kill innocent American's.
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    Re: Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    How many Islamic "lone wolf" attackers have their actually been and compare that number to lone wolf mass killers who had nothing to do with Islam.

    You are far more likely to die at the hands of a fellow American than this recent paranoia about lone wolf Islamic killers who in Canada by the way, both were self radicalized on the internet and had nothing to do with a Mosque.

    Lone wolves are a nightmare security scenario and they are also a problem you cannot really solve.

    Even the Secret Service admits that Lone Wolves present one of the biggest threats to the President and they're not 100% they could ever fully protect him against one.
    "How many" should not be the bench mark as if there is some magic red line of cases that occurs that once passed we suddenly acknowledge that we have a problem with internal enemies being radicalized on our shores...I agree that "lone wolf" scenarios are not only frightening, but troublesome in the respect that if we are not going to look at, or address the underlying causes, and motivations of these attackers, and speak honestly about them, then we will continue to have needless death here, and all collectively just be able to say what a shame as we see ourselves defenseless against them due to PC concern.
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    Re: Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops

    I think you are correct. I dont think how many matters, as long as there is one law biding Muslim in this cournty he should be allowed to practice his religion freely, including going to mosque without the police. My goodness, I love how the right wingers are so gungho the constituion and stuff until, wel, they aint.
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    "How many" should not be the bench mark as if there is some magic red line of cases that occurs that once passed we suddenly acknowledge that we have a problem with internal enemies being radicalized on our shores...I agree that "lone wolf" scenarios are not only frightening, but troublesome in the respect that if we are not going to look at, or address the underlying causes, and motivations of these attackers, and speak honestly about them, then we will continue to have needless death here, and all collectively just be able to say what a shame as we see ourselves defenseless against them due to PC concern.
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    Re: Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I think a Mosque should have all the legal protections my Church has. Every single one. They should be able to enter a mosque for survillence at exactly the same point they can come to my UCC Church. It has nothing at all to do with political correctness, it has everything to do with my selfish desire to practice MY religion freely as I see fit. I am not aware of my religion being attacked, at you talking about HobbyLobby?
    Maybe Hobby Lobby on an individual level as in that was the Business owners religious freedoms being infringed, but there are more cases such as the University of Notre Dame v. the Federal Government, and the Little Sisters of the Poor v. the Federal Government....etc.

    No one is suggesting that we 'outlaw' Islam in America, but I think at a time when a radicalized faction of that religion is at war with us, it is prudent to implement heightened scrutiny.
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    Re: Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I think you are correct. I dont think how many matters, as long as there is one law biding Muslim in this cournty he should be allowed to practice his religion freely, including going to mosque without the police. My goodness, I love how the right wingers are so gungho the constituion and stuff until, wel, they aint.
    No, that's not true....I don't think we should be approaching a war with one hand tied behind our backs.
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    Re: Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops

    Ok, but we have to be very careful...
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Maybe Hobby Lobby on an individual level as in that was the Business owners religious freedoms being infringed, but there are more cases such as the University of Notre Dame v. the Federal Government, and the Little Sisters of the Poor v. the Federal Government....etc.

    No one is suggesting that we 'outlaw' Islam in America, but I think at a time when a radicalized faction of that religion is at war with us, it is prudent to implement heightened scrutiny.
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    Re: Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Ok, but we have to be very careful...
    On that we can agree...I don't want to see any peaceful people have to have their God given rights infringed, however, we should recognize that the radicals within the Islamic religion are as much a threat to peaceful Muslims, as they are a threat to innocent Americans....Anwar Al Awlaki (sp?) practiced right here in America, and with that freedom he not only was in contact with some of the 9/11 hijackers, but also with the Ft. Hood terrorist. So, to sit on our hands, and whine about 'oh, what can we do' as if we are helpless in going after the obvious is ridiculous to me, and not America as I know it.
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    Re: Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops

    But when we start infringing on our own freedoms we really have lost.
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    On that we can agree...I don't want to see any peaceful people have to have their God given rights infringed, however, we should recognize that the radicals within the Islamic religion are as much a threat to peaceful Muslims, as they are a threat to innocent Americans....Anwar Al Awlaki (sp?) practiced right here in America, and with that freedom he not only was in contact with some of the 9/11 hijackers, but also with the Ft. Hood terrorist. So, to sit on our hands, and whine about 'oh, what can we do' as if we are helpless in going after the obvious is ridiculous to me, and not America as I know it.
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