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    Re: Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Ok lets compare. You post deaths in the United States caused by Muslims and I'll post deaths caused by any other group I have listed. You choose which one I'll do.
    Are you including those who have vowed to murder innocent people throughout the world?

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    Re: Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    You interested in comparing the number of violent muslim attacks in this country to the number attacks by Christians? Jews? Whites? Blacks? Males? Females? People over 5 ft tall? People with blonde hair? People with tattoos? People who consider themselves independents?

    We have enough crime in this country, and a great variety of people commiting those crimes, that you can pick almost any factor you want. Deosn't matter what it is. And you will find people committing crimes, attacks ect who meet that criteria.
    I think the motive for the crime is a significant factor. In this case it was an act of terrorism.

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    Re: Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Perhaps there would be more outrage if it were a Catholic or Baptist that did the axing.
    Yes, "Catholics On Murderous Rampage, Pope Issues Convert Or Die Edict" would probably create more buzz.

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    Re: Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lol:

    Would you the collective purchasing power of blacks is lower today than the 1940s?
    Would you say that educated blacks are at an all time high or all time low?
    Would you say poverty in the black population is higher now than the 1940s?

    Blacks gave their support for 100 years to Republicans and all they got out of it was conscription, the projects and high crime rates. Again, cherrypick wisely.
    All they got out of Republicans was their freedoms. As for unemployment, check it out. Interview with Walter Williams: Unemployment among African Americans was lower when discrimination was worse - ConservativeHome's Big Ideas blog

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    Re: Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    All they got out of Republicans was their freedoms.
    5 Things You May Not Know About Lincoln, Slavery and Emancipation

    5. The Emancipation Proclamation didn’t actually free all of the slaves.

    Since Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation as a military measure, it didn’t apply to border slave states like Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky and Missouri, all of which had remained loyal to the Union. Lincoln also exempted selected areas of the Confederacy that had already come under Union control in hopes of gaining the loyalty of whites in those states. In practice, then, the Emancipation Proclamation didn’t immediately free a single slave, as the only places it applied were places where the federal government had no control—the Southern states currently fighting against the Union.

    Despite its limitations, Lincoln’s proclamation marked a crucial turning point in the evolution of Lincoln’s views of slavery, as well as a turning point in the Civil War itself. By war’s end, some 200,000 black men would serve in the Union Army and Navy, striking a mortal blow against the institution of slavery and paving the way for its eventual abolition by the 13th Amendment.
    History is fun.
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    Re: Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Good stuff, did you know that without Democrats, the CRA'64 wouldn't have passed?
    The majority were Republicans. Although many believe that Black civil rights began in 1964 (and sadly many Blacks believe this) it was President Eisenhower who ordered troops to force the desegregation of Americans schools opposed, of course, by the Democrats. Our Documents - Executive Order 10730: Desegregation of Central High School (1957)
    White southerner voters* were the group behind Jim Crow, segregation and the KKK. Funny how people forget to mention why blacks won't vote for white Southerners though.
    The Democrats were the authors of these laws, and still use Black people for their own ends. Lyndon Johnson summed it up best. "I'll have them niggers voting Democratic for two hundred years".Talk:Lyndon B. Johnson - Wikiquote

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    Re: Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes, it is. What did you take away from that?

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    Re: Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The majority were Republicans.
    Lmao... are you kidding?

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/88-1964/h182

    The majority of people who voted for CRA'64 were Democrats in both the House & Senate. Don't play this game, Grant. You'll lose.

    Although many believe that Black civil rights began in 1964 (and sadly many Blacks believe this) it was President Eisenhower who ordered troops to force the desegregation of Americans schools opposed, of course, by the Democrats.
    Eisenhower enforced a SCOTUS ruling against his own personal feelings. Nothing wrong with that, admirable really.

    Domestic Politics . Eisenhower . WGBH American Experience | PBS

    Eisenhower made clear that he would put his personal feelings aside to enforce the law. The President declared, "The Supreme Court has spoken and I am sworn to uphold the constitutional processes in this country -- I will obey." Still, Eisenhower hoped to avoid direct federal intervention in the affairs of Arkansas. He summoned Governor Faubus to meet with him and informed him that he could not hope to win in a showdown with the United States government. Eisenhower felt confident that he and Faubus had reached an agreement. He was mistaken. Upon returning to Little Rock, Faubus kept the state National Guard at the high school. When a federal judge ordered him to refrain from interfering with desegregation of the school, Faubus removed the Guard, leaving only the local police to fend off an angry, violent mob. The police were able to safely remove the nine students, but the chaos continued.
    Imagine that, a Republican taking a stand against what was considered a States rights issue. We don't see many of those anymore.

    Our Documents - Executive Order 10730: Desegregation of Central High School (1957) The Democrats were the authors of these laws, and still use Black people for their own ends. Lyndon Johnson summed it up best. "I'll have them niggers voting Democratic for two hundred years".Talk:Lyndon B. Johnson - Wikiquote
    He one upped Lincoln! Good for him.
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    Re: Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good evening Rocket,

    Of course it makes it about the religion - to ignore that component is foolish. There are many within the religion using the vulnerable to assist in furthering their aims. Suicide bombers are a prime example. Do you think people become human bombs just because they're mentally unstable? Or is it more likely that many who are mentally unstable succome to the draw of religious martyrdom at the behest of Muslim clerics and others who pervert the religion?

    Many on the left, perhaps yourself included, like to claim that gun ownership should be banned or severely restricted because some mentally unstable individuals use weapons to harm or kill humans, ignoring the fact that the vast majority of gun owners in the US are upstanding, honest, law abiding citizens. And yet, they/you claim that the gun is the problem - the root cause. Why are they/you so squeamish about identifying Islamic teachings as a root cause in these such incidents?
    Actually, I'm not one to want to ban or severely restrict guns (depending on your definition of "severe." We all have different lines of severity that we aren't willing to cross).

    A majority of Muslims don't do anything like this. Especially in the US and Canada. I wouldn't call on restricting all of a group based on the actions of a few.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Perhaps there would be more outrage if it were a Catholic or Baptist that did the axing.
    It would certainly change who's on which side in this thread. Unfortunately, there are many (many of whom are attacking Muslims here) who would defend it if it were.

    Don't pretend like they wouldn't, because we both know they would.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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