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    Re: Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Ok lets compare. You post deaths in the United States caused by Muslims and I'll post deaths caused by any other group I have listed. You choose which one I'll do.
    the challenge is not finding murderers committing acts that happen to have blue eyes and blonde hair but BECAUSE they have blue eyes and blonde hair. Or more specifically...BECAUSE they are fundamentalist Muslims or BECAUSE as you were quick to try to divert to...they are Christian.

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    Re: Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    I am curious as to who you are saying commits the majority of criminal acts?
    Read an FBI report on violent criminal acts.

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    Re: Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Why do people make it a bigger deal when it is a muslim attack on someone as opposed to someone else? Crime is crime.
    Perhaps because there is an ideological movement behind the one person ... not just the one person.
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    Re: Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Why do you feel such sympathy for Islamic extremists?
    Perhaps there would be more outrage if it were a Catholic or Baptist that did the axing.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    That might make sense if 90% of the worlds muslims were out committing acts of violence in the United States ( or anywhere). But I assume you realize that ISIS/muslim extremists make up a very small portion of the muslims in the world right? I would also assume that you are aware that the majority of ISIS/muslim extremists are not in the US? Furthermore the people who I have heard of that have committed acts in the name of these people in the US (just like this guy) were not muslims or members of ISIS or anything for very long. These guys were mentally unstable prior to that.
    Yes, there are lots of mentally unstable people in this world - some of them congregate as Muslim extremists. Identifying and admitting such no more paints all Muslims as murderous extremists than pointing out a black person or a white person is the suspect in a crime paints all black people or white people as criminals. Blindly avoiding the obvious simply paints you as blind.
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    Re: Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    is there a level of murder that isnt considered radical?
    Not that I'm aware of.

    But I'm talking ideologically radical here.

    There are ideologies out there that support and encourage acts such as this one, and some of those ideologies are radical Islamic ideologies.

    One of these appears to possibly be involved in this case.
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    Re: Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    the challenge is not finding murderers committing acts that happen to have blue eyes and blonde hair but BECAUSE they have blue eyes and blonde hair. Or more specifically...BECAUSE they are fundamentalist Muslims or BECAUSE as you were quick to try to divert to...they are Christian.
    Fair enough. You first. Do muslim acting in the name of faith. I'll do Christians. (and for the record I am not an athiest and you can find plenty of posts from me defending christianity on this site. I dont hate or dislike christianity or christians. I am simply proving a point).

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    Re: Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Not that I'm aware of.

    But I'm talking ideologically radical here.

    There are ideologies out there that support and encourage acts such as this one, and some of those ideologies are radical Islamic ideologies.

    One of these appears to possibly be involved in this case.
    Ideologies are there to support a lot murder. Or in this case attempted murder. How is this mans ideology worse than a man whos ideals make him believe women are sluts who need to be punished? Or a Nazi/Skinhead whos ideologies cause him to believe jews deserve to be slaughterd? Gang member who believe a rival gang member deserves to be shot? A christian who kills a muslim because they are scared they may be a terrorist?
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    Re: Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Yes, there are lots of mentally unstable people in this world - some of them congregate as Muslim extremists. Identifying and admitting such no more paints all Muslims as murderous extremists than pointing out a black person or a white person is the suspect in a crime paints all black people or white people as criminals. Blindly avoiding the obvious simply paints you as blind.
    I am not avoiding anything.
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    Re: Islam convert shot dead after ax attack on NYPD cops

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Perhaps there would be more outrage if it were a Catholic or Baptist that did the axing.
    If it were a catholic who did it I think we'd be seeing more of the opposite. Even if they yelled "IN CHRISTS NAME I STRIKE THEE" before axing the guy while wearing a priests robe. You'd see more conservatives saying how its a small number of catholics or christians committing these acts and more liberals pointing out that Christianity is evil.
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