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Doctor being tested for Ebola in NYC [W:110]

Re: Doctor rushed to Bellevue Hospital with Ebola symptoms went bowling a day earlier

Yes, our most densely packed metropolis -- let's indeed pray.

Though the good doctor most certainly did not intend for anything bad to happen, epidemic-wise, I'm struck by the following two likely scenarios:

1. Either he knew he was sufficiently exposed to blood, vomit, and feces in West Africa to warrant him returning to America for the best care and his behavior was selfish and arrogant in not immediately self-isolating and contacting the CDC and demanding protective isolation quarantine ..

.. or 2. he didn't think he could possibly have the disease as he knew he didn't have sufficient exposure to blood, vomit, and feces, wore what he believed was adequate protection when he was treating patients in West Africa .. and he was wrong about how the disease can be transmitted. :shock:

Though the great majority of medical professionals think like this doctor with respect to how the disease is transmitted, virologists are, nevertheless, concerned about mutation to airborne.

The less exposure our populace takes, the less likely the disease will mutate to airborne here.

The only part of that I agree with is the doctor could have realized the U.S. is in full blown 'freak out' mode over Ebola and he could have done a better job avoiding obvious public places like a bowling alley for the three weeks or so.

I especially have a hard time attributing arrogance and selfishness to someone whose actions treating Ebola patients, for months apparently, are essential to actually containing the spread of the disease. He might pay for that with his life. A trained physician relying on the best available science about how the disease is spread and when he's at risk of spreading it is what we should expect. What he failed at was PR in a panicked country. If there's anyone to blame for that, it is the PR hacks and political people, not the doctor.

And it's fine to be concerned about something becoming airborne, but that hasn't happened. HIV mutates and 'could' become airborne, but we don't treat HIV as an airborne disease because it isn't. Ebola is no different - there's a risk according to experts, but it hasn't happened yet, so public policy need not treat it as an airborne threat.
 
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Remember the doctors that contracted it in West Africa saying they followed strict protocols and they are stunned that they still got it? Such statements and now this doctor who, presumably also followed strict protocols when treating patients in West Africa also contracted the disease. For it to be so difficult to get, it seemingly is very resilient to get by those who know best how to prevent it and who are best protected. It makes me doubt the whole "it's very difficult to contract Ebola" message.

If you are worried then don't treat end stage Ebola patients. That is the only way it has been transmitted to Americans
 
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You dont seem to understand. The issue here isn't the specific cases-ITS THE SYSTEM.
Let me give you an example of how real things really are in real life-a patient decides to travel and is within the 4+ week incubation period, he gets in and shortly after develops symptoms. The entire time he's here, he's exposing others. Now what?

Another patient has a fever but is sure its a cold. She takes tylenol and during the screen (where the temp scanner is used correctly by the hardly-trained security guard) she is afebrile and allowed to enter the US. 5 hours into her flight, or the next day if you prefer, her temp spikes to 103. She was positive the entire time, but suppressed her temp. Now what?

The CDC is spinning, right here right now. You may not pay a price for being wrong (on things you know nothing about no less) but I do every day-and YOU DONT PLAY AROUND WITH THESE THINGS.

Even if POTUS and his little puppets say otherwise for politics.

Respect this disease, those that know more about this than you HAVE TO.

:smileyfart

Good grief it always gooes back to blaming the CIC.
 
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Can't you see how all of these little facts are adding up to a Liberal Purge of their undesirables?

The 2011 remove of the travel restrictions and quarantine.

The lack of any real response to the threat after Dallas.

The several year existence of a Vaccine.

The appointment of an Ebola Czar with a Population-Control Agenda.

The approaching 2014 elections where it is expected that Liberals will receive a severe pounding.

Pro-African Citizen's taking bizarre actions, when they clearly know better, resulting a high likely hood of spread of the disease.

The supreme confidence and lack of concern by many on the far Left political spectrum. Even those on our forums making derisive, dismissive and condescending remarks to any sort of concern over Ebola.

The apparent lack of concern by the Left at the likely significant loss of political power in the 2014 elections.

The CDC position of the incubation period being 2-21 days, when the WHO says 1-47 days.

Can't you SEE how this is adding up?

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Well at least that foaming at the mouth your exhibting isn't rabies.
 
Re: Doctor rushed to Bellevue Hospital with Ebola symptoms went bowling a day earlier

Can't you see how all of these little facts are adding up to a Liberal Purge of their undesirables?

The 2011 remove of the travel restrictions and quarantine.

The lack of any real response to the threat after Dallas.

The several year existence of a Vaccine.

The appointment of an Ebola Czar with a Population-Control Agenda.

The approaching 2014 elections where it is expected that Liberals will receive a severe pounding.

Pro-African Citizen's taking bizarre actions, when they clearly know better, resulting a high likely hood of spread of the disease.

The supreme confidence and lack of concern by many on the far Left political spectrum. Even those on our forums making derisive, dismissive and condescending remarks to any sort of concern over Ebola.

The apparent lack of concern by the Left at the likely significant loss of political power in the 2014 elections.

The CDC position of the incubation period being 2-21 days, when the WHO says 1-47 days.

Can't you SEE how this is adding up?

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This is weapons-grade lunacy.
 
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The only part of that I agree with is the doctor could have realized the U.S. is in full blown 'freak out' mode over Ebola and he could have done a better job avoiding obvious public places like a bowling alley for the three weeks or so.

I especially have a hard time attributing arrogance and selfishness to someone whose actions treating Ebola patients, for months apparently, are essential to actually containing the spread of the disease. He might pay for that with his life. A trained physician relying on the best available science about how the disease is spread and when he's at risk of spreading it is what we should expect. What he failed at was PR in a panicked country. If there's anyone to blame for that, it is the PR hacks and political people, not the doctor.

And it's fine to be concerned about something becoming airborne, but that hasn't happened. HIV mutates and 'could' become airborne, but we don't treat HIV as an airborne disease because it isn't. Ebola is no different - there's a risk according to experts, but it hasn't happened yet, so public policy need not treat it as an airborne threat.
America is not in "full blown 'freak out' mode". :roll:

The great majority of Americans have intelligent real concerns about Ebola.

Those mocking those intelligent real concerns are both 1) thereby facilitating the very panic they'd prefer not to happen, and 2) mocking because they're afraid of repercussions of Ebola toward their political power allies.

Those mockers would do well to stop mocking .. and show some intelligent sensitivity.

As to Ebola becoming airborne, we know it can so mutate, we just don't know when, but, we do know what causes it: the right host -- http://www.debatepolitics.com/health-care/204375-causes-virus-like-ebola-become-airborne-right-host.html.

The more we can do to prevent such a chance from happening, the better off billions of people are.

And what we can do is all that we can to stop the disease from finding "new blood".

With regard to the good doctor, here's my reply: http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news-mainstream-media/207734-doctor-being-tested-ebola-nyc-w-110-a-12.html#post1063903387.
 
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Kobie, you know nothing about medicine, and pay no price for being wrong.

Now, why do you think that dems are now saying they want to close entry from outbreak nations?

What are your qualification in medicine?
 
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So far that is true. That however may change going forward and it is prudent to take proactive steps to prevent it spreading without direct contact with a sick/dying Ebola infected person. Wouldn't you agree?

I'm not sure I do agree. We don't take proactive steps to isolate/quarantine HIV positive individuals, for example, because it's not airborne and there is no evidence the disease spreads by incidental contact. Healthcare workers take precautions and sometimes still contract HIV from their patients, but there is no general public freak out when this occurs.

And if you take steps that imply the disease spreads by touching the same door knob as a person, you get irrational panic like the school who put the teacher on leave for just being in Dallas - I don't see how that helps the situation. If it changes going forward, then obviously policies change. But that's a big "IF."
 
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These people only care about the politics. Thing is EVERYTHING is political to them.

Yeah you and kurmugeon have never made this political! LMAO!
 
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Yes, and winning is the ONLY thing that counts for them. Killing a few people, or even allot of people, who are in their way, would not matter.

A vaccine for Ebola exists, and has existed from the better part of the Obama Administration. For some odd reason, it was never complete ( we are told ) and deployed, even to Africa.

It could be that they view Ebola only though a Political lens....

Or, they might actually all be truly immune to the disease...

Where their political opponents are NOT!


Look again, Carefully, at WHO is supremely confident that Ebola is not a threat, and scoffs at, ridicules, and belittles anyone who takes it as a serious threat.

What is the Lean of those who dismiss Ebola as a threat?

Who is NOT casually dismissing Ebola?

Why is it, only people of a Far Left Political Lean are so confident?

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I'm not sure I do agree. We don't take proactive steps to isolate/quarantine HIV positive individuals, for example, because it's not airborne and there is no evidence the disease spreads by incidental contact. Healthcare workers take precautions and sometimes still contract HIV from their patients, but there is no general public freak out when this occurs.
The issue is comparing other diseases to Ebola is apples and oranges. Address Ebola as an individual disease not "like" anything else because it isn't like anything else.

And if you take steps that imply the disease spreads by touching the same door knob as a person, you get irrational panic like the school who put the teacher on leave for just being in Dallas - I don't see how that helps the situation. If it changes going forward, then obviously policies change. But that's a big "IF."
Given all the information and misinformation I would choose to lower the risk and put proactive steps in place to protect the populace. By NOT taking proactive steps, you invite potential disaster, panic and death. I would take that risk for myself but not when I would be responsible and accountable for other people's lives.
 
Re: Doctor rushed to Bellevue Hospital with Ebola symptoms went bowling a day earlier

America is not in "full blown 'freak out' mode". :roll:

Then why is a doctor who treated sick and dying patients in Africa getting Ebola more than an interesting news item? Have you seen some of the posts on this thread?

The great majority of Americans have intelligent real concerns about Ebola.

I'm not mocking people, but the 'intelligent real concerns' are generally based on irrational fears. How many cases in the U.S., with more than 300 million people? How many did NOT involve someone treating sick and dying Ebola patients? None. So a disease that has infected not one person who wasn't in intimate contact with an Ebola patient while sick (or dead in the case of the Dallas case) requires mandatory 21 or 42 day medical isolation quarantines, travel bans, etc.? How far do we take this? Should we shut down interstates going in and out of Texas? Isolate NYC?

Those mocking those intelligent real concerns are both 1) thereby facilitating the very panic they'd prefer not to happen, and 2) mocking because they're afraid of repercussions of Ebola toward their political power allies.

No, political considerations have nothing to do with this. Or at least there is no more basis in that YOU disagree with my conclusions only because you don't like Obama and want democrats to lose in November. This "it's all political" finger can't point just one direction. If we're supposedly downplaying fears to help Obama, it's obvious cranking them up must help GOPers.

Those mockers would do well to stop mocking .. and show some intelligent sensitivity.

I think it is intelligent to point to the state of the medical science at this point, which indicates the risk to the general population is exceedingly low.

As to Ebola becoming airborne, we know it can so mutate, we just don't know when, but, we do know what causes it: the right host -- http://www.debatepolitics.com/health-care/204375-causes-virus-like-ebola-become-airborne-right-host.html.

The more we can do to prevent such a chance from happening, the better off billions of people are.

And what we can do is all that we can to stop the disease from finding "new blood".

With regard to the good doctor, here's my reply: http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news-mainstream-media/207734-doctor-being-tested-ebola-nyc-w-110-a-12.html#post1063903387.

HIV can also mutate. What's different?
 
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The issue is comparing other diseases to Ebola is apples and oranges. Address Ebola as an individual disease not "like" anything else because it isn't like anything else.

It's relevant in the context I used the comparison. Right now Ebola just is not airborne. Yes, like any other (or many other) viruses, such as HIV, it CAN mutate and change the method of transmission. But for no other virus do we base medical or public policy on these theoretical possibilities. We deal with viruses based on how they DO transmit between humans, not how they theoretically might at some future date.

Given all the information and misinformation I would choose to lower the risk and put proactive steps in place to protect the populace. By NOT taking proactive steps, you invite potential disaster, panic and death. I would take that risk for myself but not when I would be responsible and accountable for other people's lives.

I suppose that's a decent point - the 'misinformation' is causing unjustified fears based on current medical science. But I don't see how validating fears based on misinformation by treating them as valid helps to assuage those fears.
 
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The difference in the maps shows how the virus has spread. FWIW, the average daily figures for confirmed, probable, and suspected worldwide ebola cases for the last 3 weekly periods is below:

7-Day Period Ending:
October 5: 122 per day
October 12: 138 per day
October 19: 134 per day

Keep in mind it's probably under reported as some families hide their sick.
 
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It's relevant in the context I used the comparison. Right now Ebola just is not airborne.
Neither is HIV, which you used as an example. It's not relevant since no other disease quite kills like Ebola. As Ebola is a virus it may change but it's unknown what effects those changes may take, how much time or if it would happen at all. It's not relevant in context... Ebola is unique in that sense.

Yes, like any other (or many other) viruses, such as HIV, it CAN mutate and change the method of transmission. But for no other virus do we base medical or public policy on these theoretical possibilities. We deal with viruses based on how they DO transmit between humans, not how they theoretically might at some future date.
Agree.

I suppose that's a decent point - the 'misinformation' is causing unjustified fears based on current medical science. But I don't see how validating fears based on misinformation by treating them as valid helps to assuage those fears.
By politicians showing they can take this disease and it's potential transmission seriously, they COULD calm the fears. Let's also not kid ourselves, we don't know what we don't know at this point. Siding with caution seems a win all around as it can lessen the transmission. I'd certainly want to plan to be ahead of a storm than risk being in one. The issue is our country's politics and politicians are not very good at risk management.
 
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For those who are interested, below are the World Health Organization's recommendations for dealing with the current Ebola outbreak:

Recommendations for States with intense Ebola transmission (Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone)

Exit screening in Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone remains critical for reducing the exportation of Ebola cases. States should maintain and reinforce high-quality exit screening of all persons at international airports, seaport, and major land crossings, for unexplained febrile illness consistent with potential Ebola infection. The exit screening should consist of, at a minimum, a questionnaire, a temperature measurement and, if fever is discovered, an assessment of the risk that the fever is caused by Ebola virus disease (EVD). States should collect data from their exit screening processes, monitor their results, and share these with WHO on a regular basis and in a timely fashion. This will increase public confidence and provide important information to other States.

WHO and partners should provide additional support needed by States to further strengthen exit screening processes in a sustainable way.

Recommendations for all States

The Committee reiterated its recommendation that there should be no general ban on international travel or trade. A general travel ban is likely to cause economic hardship, and could consequently increase the uncontrolled migration of people from affected countries, raising the risk of international spread of Ebola. The Committee emphasized the importance of normalizing air travel and the movement of ships, including the handling of cargo and goods, to and from the affected areas, to reduce the isolation and economic hardship of the affected countries. Any necessary medical treatment should be available ashore for seafarers and passengers.

Previous recommendations regarding the travel of EVD cases and contacts should continue to be implemented.

A number of States have recently introduced entry screening measures. WHO encourages countries implementing such measures to share their experiences and lessons learned. Entry screening may have a limited effect in reducing international spread when added to exit screening, and its advantages and disadvantages should be carefully considered.

If entry screening is implemented, States should take into account the following considerations: it offers an opportunity for individual sensitization, but the resource demands may be significant, even if screening is targeted; and management systems must be in place to care for travellers and suspected cases in compliance with International Health Regulations (IHR) requirements.

A number of States without Ebola transmission have decided to or are considering cancelling international meetings and mass gatherings. Although the Committee does not recommend such cancellations, it recognizes that these are complex decisions that must be decided on a case-by-case basis. The Committee encourages States to use a risk-based approach to make these decisions. WHO has issued advice for countries hosting international meetings or mass gatherings, and will continue to provide guidance and support on this issue. The Committee agreed that there should not be a general ban on participation of competitors or delegations from countries with transmission of Ebola wishing to attend international events and mass gatherings but that the decision of participation must be made on a case by case basis by the hosting country. The temporary recommendations relating to travel should apply; additional health monitoring may be requested.

All countries should strengthen education and communication efforts to combat stigma, disproportionate fear, and inappropriate measures and reactions associated with Ebola. Such efforts may also encourage self-reporting and early presentation for diagnosis and care.

The Committee emphasized the importance of continued support by WHO and other national and international partners towards the effective implementation and monitoring of these recommendations.


WHO | Statement on the 3rd meeting of the IHR Emergency Committee regarding the 2014 Ebola outbreak in West Africa

Note: I underlined a portion of the recommendations, as that section rebuts a popular argument that has been raised in some sectors of the media with respect to limiting the spread of Ebola. I understand that at least some who have called for such restrictions are doing so in good faith and out of legitimate desire to curb the possible spread of Ebola. Nevertheless, at this time, I defer to the WHO's recommendation and its explanation for it.
 
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The more Ebola and ISIS are in the news, the worse it is for Democrats and the worse it is for Obama's policies which are on the ballots this mid-term.

Another one that makes it political.
 
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Another on that makes it political.

Reality is a bitch ain't it? Whether you like it or not, it is already political, regardless of what I post or think.
 
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Keep in mind it's probably under reported as some families hide their sick.

I don't disagree about a degree of under reporting. That's why it makes sense to use the figure that includes suspected cases so as to accommodate for that uncertainty to a degree. Hopefully, the level of uncertainty due to under reporting is relatively stable, allowing the reported figures to provide good insight into whether or not the spread of Ebola is accelerating or decelerating.

For now, the development of new cases appears relatively stable on a weekly basis, but it's premature to have much confidence in the direction things will go in coming weeks. However, the longer the figures remain relatively stable, the less likely the nightmare scenario of approximately 10,000 new cases per week by year's end will become. Hopefully, in coming weeks, the number of new cases will decline and the outbreak will begin to diminish.
 
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Remember the doctors that contracted it in West Africa saying they followed strict protocols and they are stunned that they still got it? Such statements and now this doctor who, presumably also followed strict protocols when treating patients in West Africa also contracted the disease. For it to be so difficult to get, it seemingly is very resilient to get by those who know best how to prevent it and who are best protected. It makes me doubt the whole "it's very difficult to contract Ebola" message.



That's Right.....which they were following the CDC and WHO's protocols. Yet half of those that are medical were infected and died.
 
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Except (so far at least) the people in the U.S. getting Ebola were clearly in direct contact, and repeated contact, with people sick and dying of Ebola. There have been no cases (at least so far) of any incidental contact leading to infection, e.g. a door knob, etc.

Seems the NBC Cameraman.....who went to Liberia, and never was around anyone infected or touched something by someone who was infected. Wants to know how he got it.


NBC News Cameraman on How He Contracted Ebola: ‘That's the Million Dollar Question’

Explaining that how he contracted the disease is “the million dollar question. … There's not a satisfactory answer for it.” Mukpo said he doesn't regret going to Liberia to cover the health crisis. “As a journalist, and as somebody who had a relationship to that country, it's not something that I will look back on and say, you know, it was the wrong decision to do,” he said.....snip~

NBC News Cameraman on How He Contracted Ebola: ?That's the Million Dollar Question? - One News Page
 
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How would it have stopped a doctor?

Easy, if you have a restriction on travel of anyone over there treating Ebola patients, from traveling to the US for 21 days upon the completion of their tour there, then he wouldn't have been here.
 
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Then why is a doctor who treated sick and dying patients in Africa getting Ebola more than an interesting news item? Have you seen some of the posts on this thread?
As to your first question, it is an interesting news item, because Ebola has a 60.00 percent mortality rate and a "carrier" was walking around in New York city and he didn't go through proper quarantine channels, etc.

As to your second question, "some of the posts on this thread" does not mean America is freaking out, as you clearly exaggerate.


I'm not mocking people, but the 'intelligent real concerns' are generally based on irrational fears.
Okay, so you're not "mocking" people like some in this thread are doing, you're just belittling them. :roll:


How many cases in the U.S., with more than 300 million people? How many did NOT involve someone treating sick and dying Ebola patients? None. So a disease that has infected not one person who wasn't in intimate contact with an Ebola patient while sick (or dead in the case of the Dallas case) requires mandatory 21 or 42 day medical isolation quarantines, travel bans, etc.? How far do we take this? Should we shut down interstates going in and out of Texas? Isolate NYC?
The great majority of people are still understandably intelligently concerned about Ebola .. about the 24 hours prior to experiencing classic symptoms .. about how much of the virus truly is in saliva during those last 24 hours prior to symptoms .. about what happens if the doctors are wrong or somehow a very poor person gets infected and doesn't go to the hospital but is cared for at home (how the epidemic spread in West Africa) .. about how long the virus can exist on surfaces in the cold and dark as winter approaches .. about how healthcare professionals can contract the disease from ER walk-in patients they care for prior to them testing positive and being placed in protective isolation (how the two nurses got Ebola from Duncan in Dallas) .. about how each new case of Ebola exposes the virus to a new host that may be the right environment for mutating to airborne .. about the effect of each new case of Ebola in America on Wall Street .. about how deadly the virus is, especially without proper treatment from the onset of symptoms, proper treatment so many of America's own poor can't afford .. about how special prevention of the spread of Ebola will thus be a taxpayer burden ...

I can see you're concerned about what you deem to be "overreaction".

So far people have expressed their intelligent real concern, and authorities have or have begun to take intelligent action without overreacting.

I don't see anything for you to be worried about here with regard to overreacting.

Am I wrong?

A number are concerned about underreacting.

I can understand both concerns.


No, political considerations have nothing to do with this.
No, they most certainly do. Mockers mock because they fear. The mockers are predominantly left-leaners. They are concerned that their political powers will take a hit by Ebola so they're attempting to silence intelligent real concern about it by attempting to mock people into silence.

It's quite obvious.


Or at least there is no more basis in that YOU disagree with my conclusions only because you don't like Obama and want democrats to lose in November.
And here you hedge with your first word, and validate that you're thinking is all political.

I'm a centrist, not partial to the right or the left.

I am a psychologist, and thus I'm sensitive to the psychology of the great majority of Americans.

We would all do well not to belittle, mock, overreact, underreact, etc.

According to a recent poll, 91% want flights restricted. 91% would include people on both sides of the aisle. This is a non-political issue concern.

Treating it as political will actually hamper taking necessary protection steps (a la "Global Warming" flap), and will thus precipitate the very panic you'd prefer not to occur.


This "it's all political" finger can't point just one direction. If we're supposedly downplaying fears to help Obama, it's obvious cranking them up must help GOPers.
Though there may be some who want to see Wall Street tank and the nation go into another depression just so they can point their finger at Obama, the overwhelming vast majority of Americans and those presenting intelligent real concern aren't among them.

But keep thinking politically defensive .. and you'll reveal what you're real concern is: that it's better for your allied powers to appear safe from Ebola repercussions than for the physiological and psychological health of every American to be safe.


I think it is intelligent to point to the state of the medical science at this point, which indicates the risk to the general population is exceedingly low.
If you think that will be of value in addressing the intelligent real concerns of the great majority of Americans regarding Ebola, then do so.

I too have done the same.

But I recognize that the great majority are either not going to comprehend those details or be made aware of them.

They will also not trust the sources, due to all the politicking going on, and mocking and belittling them will only make them more concerned.

Education, in and of itself, only works to a small degree.

And, when there appears to be exceptions to the general rules, and the threat of mutation to airborne is real (which it is), you'll be hard-pressed to say "exceedingly low" and expect the mother of a 3-year-old not to be intelligently concerned.


HIV can also mutate. What's different?
Meaningless.

We know that viruses can mutate to whatever it takes to insure their survival, as Darwin so accurately presented. Airborne is just one of those known qualities.

That HIV is yet known to have mutated to airborne is meaningless.
 
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