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    Re: Doctor rushed to Bellevue Hospital with Ebola symptoms went bowling a day earlier

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Yes, and I have demonstrated that the disease is also capable of airborne transmission.
    Where did you demonstrate that? And if it's airborne, why is the rate of transmission so low except for healthcare workers and others in regular, and/or direct contact with bodily fluids?

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    Re: Doctor rushed to Bellevue Hospital with Ebola symptoms went bowling a day earlier

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Where did you demonstrate that? And if it's airborne, why is the rate of transmission so low except for healthcare workers and others in regular, and/or direct contact with bodily fluids?
    Im not arguing that the current strain is airborne, as far as we know. Im saying its capable of airborne transmission and there is documented evidence of that.

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    Re: Doctor rushed to Bellevue Hospital with Ebola symptoms went bowling a day earlier

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    Im not arguing that the current strain is airborne, as far as we know. Im saying its capable of airborne transmission and there is documented evidence of that.
    So what did the CDC miss in their rundown of previous outbreaks and their assessment of the risks?

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    Re: Doctor rushed to Bellevue Hospital with Ebola symptoms went bowling a day earlier

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    The CDC runs down the research here: Review of Human-to-Human Transmission of Ebola Virus | Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever | CDC

    It appears the primates were 20cm from the pigs, and pigs can generate large droplets very effectively. In other conditions - such as when a plexiglass barrier prevented large droplets, but wouldn't contain the small ones you refer to, there was no transmission. And in studies of humans, in the VAST majority of cases, the person infected is known to have directly contacted human bodily fluids, and indirect transmission can't be confirmed but is in any event very rare. That's consistent with the cases here where it's only healthcare workers directly treating the dying patient who got sick, and not other bystanders, including family members living in the same home.
    I generally agree - the transmission rate via a cough/sneeze is very low percentage wise - but I do not think it's impossible to transfer that way. The plausibility may be low but given just the math - it's possible. That is why the CDC approved PPE includes a N95 mask the CDC requires filters down to 2 microns.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Doctor rushed to Bellevue Hospital with Ebola symptoms went bowling a day earlier

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I generally agree - the transmission rate via a cough/sneeze is very low percentage wise - but I do not think it's impossible to transfer that way. The plausibility may be low but given just the math - it's possible. That is why the CDC approved PPE includes a N95 mask the CDC requires filters down to 2 microns.
    We're on the same page.

    The only thing I'm objecting to is the scare mongering that Ebola is an airborne disease like the flue or other highly contagious viruses. It's just not, and there is no reason to treat it as such. For a medical provider spending extended time in the same room as a person sick and dying, throwing up, coughing, etc. then there is no reason to take any risks of it spreading by droplets large or small. But the risk to the population of NYC while the doctor was bowling or walking on the streets with no fever and no symptoms was, for all practical purposes, zero.

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    Re: Doctor rushed to Bellevue Hospital with Ebola symptoms went bowling a day earlier

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    So what did the CDC miss in their rundown of previous outbreaks and their assessment of the risks?
    My biggest issue is with its inconsistent policies (regarding adequate protection), its slow implementation (some aren't due to kick in until monday when we have exposure in nyc) and its refusal to recommend closing of the border.

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    Re: Doctor rushed to Bellevue Hospital with Ebola symptoms went bowling a day earlier

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    We're on the same page.

    The only thing I'm objecting to is the scare mongering that Ebola is an airborne disease like the flue or other highly contagious viruses. It's just not, and there is no reason to treat it as such. For a medical provider spending extended time in the same room as a person sick and dying, throwing up, coughing, etc. then there is no reason to take any risks of it spreading by droplets large or small. But the risk to the population of NYC while the doctor was bowling or walking on the streets with no fever and no symptoms was, for all practical purposes, zero.
    I did a bit of reading on virus mutations ... there are chances each time a virus is passed on to genetically change. The changes however do not always make the virus more deadly especially in transmission method. In labs scientists have forced mutations of virus transmission methods but found that even strains of flu which were deadly - when changed to an easier transmission method became less virluent and less deadly. Of course one cannot predict which mutation will take place but we at least know that if Ebola did make a change and could be spread like the flu there is a chance it will become less deadly - of course there is an equal chance it may become more deadly as well.


    This is a decent page defining the Ebola virus itself:
    http://viralzone.expasy.org/all_by_species/207.html
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Doctor rushed to Bellevue Hospital with Ebola symptoms went bowling a day earlier

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    My biggest issue is with its inconsistent policies (regarding adequate protection), its slow implementation (some aren't due to kick in until monday when we have exposure in nyc) and its refusal to recommend closing of the border.
    I think it's now generally accepted the CDC and hospitals were caught flat footed on this.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Doctor being tested for Ebola in NYC

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Nonsense.
    No it isn't. Obama and his CDC drone did nothing to keep Ebola out of the US.

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    Re: Doctor being tested for Ebola in NYC

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    No it isn't. Obama and his CDC drone did nothing to keep Ebola out of the US.
    If that's true, and I don't believe it is, then it appears doing nothing has been a pretty good plan so far.

    Factbox: Ebola cases in the United States | Reuters

    So far we've had one non-citizen travel to the U.S. He died, and the two nurses he infected two nurses who have recovered.

    U.S. based camera man was treated and recovered, infected no one.

    An unidentified American was treated and released from Emory, infected no one.

    Three Christian missionaries contracted Ebola overseas, transferred here for treatment, recovered, infected no one.

    The doctor in NYC, now being treated, no known persons infected.

    There is no outbreak in the U.S. One person with Ebola, the African, has died. There are two people infected - the nurses in Dallas - who have recovered. I'm not sure how the results could be better with a travel ban.

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