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    Re: Doctor rushed to Bellevue Hospital with Ebola symptoms went bowling a day earlier

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Yes, our most densely packed metropolis -- let's indeed pray.

    Though the good doctor most certainly did not intend for anything bad to happen, epidemic-wise, I'm struck by the following two likely scenarios:

    1. Either he knew he was sufficiently exposed to blood, vomit, and feces in West Africa to warrant him returning to America for the best care and his behavior was selfish and arrogant in not immediately self-isolating and contacting the CDC and demanding protective isolation quarantine ..

    .. or 2. he didn't think he could possibly have the disease as he knew he didn't have sufficient exposure to blood, vomit, and feces, wore what he believed was adequate protection when he was treating patients in West Africa .. and he was wrong about how the disease can be transmitted.

    Though the great majority of medical professionals think like this doctor with respect to how the disease is transmitted, virologists are, nevertheless, concerned about mutation to airborne.

    The less exposure our populace takes, the less likely the disease will mutate to airborne here.
    The only part of that I agree with is the doctor could have realized the U.S. is in full blown 'freak out' mode over Ebola and he could have done a better job avoiding obvious public places like a bowling alley for the three weeks or so.

    I especially have a hard time attributing arrogance and selfishness to someone whose actions treating Ebola patients, for months apparently, are essential to actually containing the spread of the disease. He might pay for that with his life. A trained physician relying on the best available science about how the disease is spread and when he's at risk of spreading it is what we should expect. What he failed at was PR in a panicked country. If there's anyone to blame for that, it is the PR hacks and political people, not the doctor.

    And it's fine to be concerned about something becoming airborne, but that hasn't happened. HIV mutates and 'could' become airborne, but we don't treat HIV as an airborne disease because it isn't. Ebola is no different - there's a risk according to experts, but it hasn't happened yet, so public policy need not treat it as an airborne threat.

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    Re: Doctor being tested for Ebola in NYC

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Remember the doctors that contracted it in West Africa saying they followed strict protocols and they are stunned that they still got it? Such statements and now this doctor who, presumably also followed strict protocols when treating patients in West Africa also contracted the disease. For it to be so difficult to get, it seemingly is very resilient to get by those who know best how to prevent it and who are best protected. It makes me doubt the whole "it's very difficult to contract Ebola" message.
    If you are worried then don't treat end stage Ebola patients. That is the only way it has been transmitted to Americans

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    Re: Doctor rushed to Bellevue Hospital with Ebola symptoms went bowling a day earlier

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    You dont seem to understand. The issue here isn't the specific cases-ITS THE SYSTEM.
    Let me give you an example of how real things really are in real life-a patient decides to travel and is within the 4+ week incubation period, he gets in and shortly after develops symptoms. The entire time he's here, he's exposing others. Now what?

    Another patient has a fever but is sure its a cold. She takes tylenol and during the screen (where the temp scanner is used correctly by the hardly-trained security guard) she is afebrile and allowed to enter the US. 5 hours into her flight, or the next day if you prefer, her temp spikes to 103. She was positive the entire time, but suppressed her temp. Now what?

    The CDC is spinning, right here right now. You may not pay a price for being wrong (on things you know nothing about no less) but I do every day-and YOU DONT PLAY AROUND WITH THESE THINGS.

    Even if POTUS and his little puppets say otherwise for politics.

    Respect this disease, those that know more about this than you HAVE TO.


    Good grief it always gooes back to blaming the CIC.

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    Re: Doctor rushed to Bellevue Hospital with Ebola symptoms went bowling a day earlier

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurmugeon View Post
    Obama's Ebola Czar thinks that Over population is the world's biggest problem.

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    Re: Doctor rushed to Bellevue Hospital with Ebola symptoms went bowling a day earlier

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurmugeon View Post
    Can't you see how all of these little facts are adding up to a Liberal Purge of their undesirables?

    The 2011 remove of the travel restrictions and quarantine.

    The lack of any real response to the threat after Dallas.

    The several year existence of a Vaccine.

    The appointment of an Ebola Czar with a Population-Control Agenda.

    The approaching 2014 elections where it is expected that Liberals will receive a severe pounding.

    Pro-African Citizen's taking bizarre actions, when they clearly know better, resulting a high likely hood of spread of the disease.

    The supreme confidence and lack of concern by many on the far Left political spectrum. Even those on our forums making derisive, dismissive and condescending remarks to any sort of concern over Ebola.

    The apparent lack of concern by the Left at the likely significant loss of political power in the 2014 elections.

    The CDC position of the incubation period being 2-21 days, when the WHO says 1-47 days.

    Can't you SEE how this is adding up?

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    Re: Doctor rushed to Bellevue Hospital with Ebola symptoms went bowling a day earlier

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurmugeon View Post
    Can't you see how all of these little facts are adding up to a Liberal Purge of their undesirables?

    The 2011 remove of the travel restrictions and quarantine.

    The lack of any real response to the threat after Dallas.

    The several year existence of a Vaccine.

    The appointment of an Ebola Czar with a Population-Control Agenda.

    The approaching 2014 elections where it is expected that Liberals will receive a severe pounding.

    Pro-African Citizen's taking bizarre actions, when they clearly know better, resulting a high likely hood of spread of the disease.

    The supreme confidence and lack of concern by many on the far Left political spectrum. Even those on our forums making derisive, dismissive and condescending remarks to any sort of concern over Ebola.

    The apparent lack of concern by the Left at the likely significant loss of political power in the 2014 elections.

    The CDC position of the incubation period being 2-21 days, when the WHO says 1-47 days.

    Can't you SEE how this is adding up?

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    Re: Doctor rushed to Bellevue Hospital with Ebola symptoms went bowling a day earlier

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    The only part of that I agree with is the doctor could have realized the U.S. is in full blown 'freak out' mode over Ebola and he could have done a better job avoiding obvious public places like a bowling alley for the three weeks or so.

    I especially have a hard time attributing arrogance and selfishness to someone whose actions treating Ebola patients, for months apparently, are essential to actually containing the spread of the disease. He might pay for that with his life. A trained physician relying on the best available science about how the disease is spread and when he's at risk of spreading it is what we should expect. What he failed at was PR in a panicked country. If there's anyone to blame for that, it is the PR hacks and political people, not the doctor.

    And it's fine to be concerned about something becoming airborne, but that hasn't happened. HIV mutates and 'could' become airborne, but we don't treat HIV as an airborne disease because it isn't. Ebola is no different - there's a risk according to experts, but it hasn't happened yet, so public policy need not treat it as an airborne threat.
    America is not in "full blown 'freak out' mode".

    The great majority of Americans have intelligent real concerns about Ebola.

    Those mocking those intelligent real concerns are both 1) thereby facilitating the very panic they'd prefer not to happen, and 2) mocking because they're afraid of repercussions of Ebola toward their political power allies.

    Those mockers would do well to stop mocking .. and show some intelligent sensitivity.

    As to Ebola becoming airborne, we know it can so mutate, we just don't know when, but, we do know what causes it: the right host -- http://www.debatepolitics.com/health...ight-host.html.

    The more we can do to prevent such a chance from happening, the better off billions of people are.

    And what we can do is all that we can to stop the disease from finding "new blood".

    With regard to the good doctor, here's my reply: http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1063903387.
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    Re: Doctor rushed to Bellevue Hospital with Ebola symptoms went bowling a day earlier

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Kobie, you know nothing about medicine, and pay no price for being wrong.

    Now, why do you think that dems are now saying they want to close entry from outbreak nations?
    What are your qualification in medicine?

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    Re: Doctor being tested for Ebola in NYC

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So far that is true. That however may change going forward and it is prudent to take proactive steps to prevent it spreading without direct contact with a sick/dying Ebola infected person. Wouldn't you agree?
    I'm not sure I do agree. We don't take proactive steps to isolate/quarantine HIV positive individuals, for example, because it's not airborne and there is no evidence the disease spreads by incidental contact. Healthcare workers take precautions and sometimes still contract HIV from their patients, but there is no general public freak out when this occurs.

    And if you take steps that imply the disease spreads by touching the same door knob as a person, you get irrational panic like the school who put the teacher on leave for just being in Dallas - I don't see how that helps the situation. If it changes going forward, then obviously policies change. But that's a big "IF."

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    Re: Doctor rushed to Bellevue Hospital with Ebola symptoms went bowling a day earlier

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    These people only care about the politics. Thing is EVERYTHING is political to them.
    Yeah you and kurmugeon have never made this political! LMAO!

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