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    Re: Doctor being tested for Ebola in NYC

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    From many other local News bulletins..
    He has 103 Fever, Gastro symptoms, and was in Guinea treating Ebola patients for Doctors without Borders.
    Was self-monitoring at home after Flying into JFK Airport via Brussels Airlines on Oct 17.
    He's in Bellevue Hospital which is ostensibly equipped for the situation. (originally a TB hospital)

    These high-riskers should NOT be flying commercial flights, nor should ANYONE from those nations without at least 3 week quarantines.

    Lets hope it's a False alarm and alternative like Malaria/Flu/etc.
    Test results late tonight.

    Doctor being tested for Ebola in NYC - CBS News
    CBS NEWS - October 23, 2014, 3:23 PM
    Someone gave out the wrong info on his fever. Not 103, but 100.3. For Ebola, that makes a big difference.
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    Re: Doctor rushed to Bellevue Hospital with Ebola symptoms went bowling a day earlier

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Wrong DS.....one can even spread it when Cured.

    Sperm can contain the virus for a period of three to six months even after a person has been cured of EVD. The 21-day quarantine period remains ambiguous and we need more research to conclusively establish its basis, added Dr Srivastava......snip~
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    Re: Doctor being tested for Ebola in NYC

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurmugeon View Post
    If you are a highly trained medical doctor, and just witnessed first hand the deaths of Ebola in Guinea, and you return to the U.S.

    Whether you feel well, or not, any responsible person, regardless of whether the government insists upon isolation, would place themselves voluntarily in a mode of low public contact and make of diary of all contact they do have, just in case.

    If this person went to a public gathering, such as a bowling alley, given his level of training, exposure, and change of location from Africa to the relatively Ebola free area of the United States, we have to assume that for Political or Personal motivations, he is TRYING to deliberately spread the disease!

    This man is, in my estimation, A TERRORIST!

    This is a clear and present danger to the lives of hundreds of millions of Americans, and represents a valid case of deliberate Terrorism!
    There is function, and then there is intent.

    The challenge here is in understanding the general attitude towards Ebola of the very great majority of doctors.

    They truly believe that the only way to catch Ebola is through contact with a very symptomatic patient's blood, vomit, or feces.

    With the number of West African people with Ebola increasing, after spending just a month there treating the sick, he returns home, after having most likely had contact with a number of patients' blood, vomit, and feces, wearing less than adequate protection, adequate protection not universally available in West Africa, likely thinking, knowing as he does just how the disease is spread, that he may indeed have been sufficiently exposed to someone's blood, vomit, or feces, and monitoring his likely incubation period, and that if he does have the virus in him .. the best care is here in America.

    So he flies to liberal Belgium .. probably not telling airport security that he's just had super high-risk contact with Ebola .. and then he flies from Brussels to New York, a flight that no one is really screening. So that gets him home, to where the best care is.

    Believing, as he does, that no one is in danger from him, believing, as he does, that there's insufficient viral load in body fluids prior to showing symptoms, especially in saliva, he goes out about his business on the town. Heck, he even has contact with his fiancee (who is now forced into 21-day isolation that might cost her her job)!

    He's likely correct, that no one was in danger from him if he's not symptomatic, or even if he's barely symptomatic .. likely correct.

    But, the problem he misses isn't medical, it's sociological -- it's his "bedside manner" toward his fellow American citizens that stinks.

    And, he's missing that his behavior will be viewed as just another "arrogant doctor".

    And, he's missing the selfishness in his behavior, ironic considering his volunteer work in West Africa was anything but selfish.

    What he apparently doesn't grasp is that the great majority of people don't believe the way the very great majority of doctors do on this matter. The great majority of people are still understandably intelligently concerned about Ebola .. about the 24 hours prior to experiencing classic symptoms .. about how much of the virus truly is in saliva during those last 24 hours prior to symptoms .. about what happens if the doctors are wrong or somehow a very poor person gets infected and doesn't go to the hospital but is cared for at home (how the epidemic spread in West Africa) .. about how long the virus can exist on surfaces in the cold and dark as winter approaches .. about how healthcare professionals can contract the disease from ER walk-in patients they care for prior to them testing positive and being placed in protective isolation (how the two nurses got Ebola from Duncan in Dallas) .. about how each new case of Ebola exposes the virus to a new host that may be the right environment for mutating to airborne .. about the effect of each new case of Ebola in America on Wall Street .. about how deadly the virus is, especially without proper treatment from the onset of symptoms, proper treatment so many of America's own poor can't afford .. about how special prevention of the spread of Ebola will thus be a taxpayer burden ...

    The great majority of Americans are rightly concerned.

    But, the very great majority of doctors aren't concerned about these matters (even if some virologists are).

    Terrorism is intent.

    Sociological ignorance and selfishness, no, these are not terrorism.

    But they are bad.

    To return to the heart of our country's most populous city, six days prior to experiencing symptoms he most certainly knew were likely, and walk around freely amongst the populous?

    Professional arrogance and sociological ignorance and egocentric selfishness, and even self-preservation over moral imperatives? Yes.

    Terrorism? No. His intention wasn't to do harm to others but to take care of himself.

    His volunteer organization, Doctors Without Borders, does a wonderful volunteer service, putting themselves at known risk, helping the sick who cannot afford medical care. They are to be praised for that, most assuredly.

    But, the problem I have with this organization and its members, is their political philosophy with respect to the ".. Without Borders" part: they have a tendency to have disdain for geopolitical units, treating one place in the world like any other, like, in this case, West Africa and New York City are just part of one big planet, without different laws, or healthcare, or you name it.

    So his liberal "Multi-Cultural Internationalist" attitude is on display, which contributes to his pretty lousy "bedside manner" toward his fellow Americans.

    But, a terrorist? No.

    Nevertheless, he should have a stern talking to about the value of being sensitive to people not possessing the great medical body of knowledge he possess, and about being sensitive to his country's government that's now attempting to promote the sociological general welfare of its people and implement physiological and psychological protections for the American people ..

    .. And about how, under the right host and conditions, a virus can mutate to airborne, especially after being passed from person, to person, to person .. in an epidemic like West Africa.
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    Re: Doctor being tested for Ebola in NYC

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    They may be talking about a small and/or theoretical risk. As a matter of principle, I favor giving health care workers the maximum protection possible. If Congress would need to appropriate funds to help make this possible, I would have no objections.

    Nope.....not a small theoretical Risk. Here is a the kicker DS.....The CDC knew people in Africa wearing Hazmats Suits. Were still being infected.



    Guidance from the CDC and WHO recommends the use of facemasks for healthcare workers providing routine care to patients with Ebola virus disease and respirators when aerosol-generating procedures are performed. (Interestingly, the 1998 WHO and CDC infection-control guidance for viral hemorrhagic fevers in Africa, still available on the CDC Web site, recommends the use of respirators.).....snip~


    To summarize, for the following reasons we believe that Ebola could be an opportunistic aerosol-transmissible disease requiring adequate respiratory protection:

    Patients and procedures generate aerosols, and Ebola virus remains viable in aerosols for up to 90 minutes.
    All sizes of aerosol particles are easily inhaled both near to and far from the patient.
    Crowding, limited air exchange, and close interactions with patients all contribute to the probability that healthcare workers will be exposed to high concentrations of very toxic infectious aerosols.
    •Ebola targets immune response cells found in all epithelial tissues, including in the respiratory and gastrointestinal system.
    Experimental data support aerosols as a mode of disease transmission in non-human primates......snip~

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    Re: Doctor being tested for Ebola in NYC

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Fact.....they don't know all there is to know.

    Which still doesn't explain why this Doctor would lose all common sense and go out into a public place. Just coming from an Infected Country.

    Not knowing everything doesn't mean we know nothing. He's not infectious, why should he not socialise, he's spent a long time away from family and friends. Do you think a doctor would put them at risk? Capitalising "Infected Country", is that supposed to make us fearful? It's silly, besides which how can a country be infected?
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    Re: Doctor rushed to Bellevue Hospital with Ebola symptoms went bowling a day earlier

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Then don't swallow, and you'll be good!
    I wont have that problem.....since I am not Gay. But then how does that help you out, even if you don't swallow. Fluids on your face will still cause you to be infected.

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    Re: Doctor being tested for Ebola in NYC

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    This guy is a Doctor.....an yet as a Doctor he shows us how even Doctors can be fools. This mope knew he was working with Ebola Patients. For 8 months he was in Guinea. He should have isolated himself Right off the top coming from the Infected Country.

    Not only was he out bowling.....but he took the subway, then went out to the park.

    Was also out jogging.....which he said he was feeling down then.
    I read he flew to West Africa in mid-September, so he was only treating patients for a month .. still sufficient time to know when he likely got infected this time.

    See my above post response to Kurmugeon.
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    Re: Doctor being tested for Ebola in NYC

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    I read he flew to West Africa in mid-September, so he was only treating patients for a month .. still sufficient time to know when he likely got infected this time.

    See my above post response to Kurmugeon.

    Mornin OG. This morning on CBS radio they stated he was in Guinea for 8 months treating Ebola patients. Also as a Doctor and knowing how people react with infectious diseases You would have thought he would have tried to make sure he didn't alarm people. Especially any of those around him.....that knew where he was or about him.

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    Re: Doctor being tested for Ebola in NYC

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    He finished his service and came home more than a week ago. He was symptom free (and NOT infectious) until 10am today, when he reported sick and was taken to hospital with due precautions. Fear is a killer, as is ignorance. Screaming fire in a theater only makes a person look stupid.
    Behaving as if one is attempting to set that fire, that makes a person look arrogant and insensitive.

    The doctor's mistake is mostly sociological, but it's a big one.

    The other part of the doctor's mistake is virological -- with all his medical knowledge, he's apparently ignorant that, if he, a White person, has the disease, he's increased the factors contributing to mutation to airborne: http://www.debatepolitics.com/health...ight-host.html.

    Those with even the slightest left lean would do well to spend less time posturing to protect the federal executive branch and more time being sensitive to the great majority of their fellow Americans' legitimate concerns.
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    Re: Doctor being tested for Ebola in NYC

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Behaving as if one is attempting to set that fire, that makes a person look arrogant and insensitive.

    The doctor's mistake is mostly sociological, but it's a big one.

    The other part of the doctor's mistake is virological -- with all his medical knowledge, he's apparently ignorant that, if he, a White person, has the disease, he's increased the factors contributing to mutation to airborne: http://www.debatepolitics.com/health...ight-host.html.

    Those with even the slightest left lean would do well to spend less time posturing to protect the federal executive branch and more time being sensitive to the great majority of their fellow Americans' legitimate concerns.
    OMFG. You really think NOT freaking out is to "protect" Obama?

    The problem is that the vast majority of these concerns AREN'T legitimate. It's sheer panic.
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