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Doctor being tested for Ebola in NYC [W:110]

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These people need to be arrested charged and convicted of knowingly putting peoples lives in jeopardy. If people die as a result of there reckless behavior they should be charged with murder or at least negligent homicide. Irresponsible behavior that endangers the general public cannot and should not be tolerated.

Well... that's not opening the floodgate to future authoritarian abuses.... What's next? AIDS patients? Hep C patients? TB Patients?
 
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An update on Dr. Spencer:

The condition of New York City’s first Ebola patient, Dr. Craig Spencer, worsened on Saturday, though he remained awake and communicative, health officials said.

Dr. Spencer, 33, was “entering the next and more serious phase of his illness, as anticipated with the appearance of gastrointestinal symptoms,” Ana Marengo, a spokeswoman for the city’s public hospital system, said in a statement. Dr. Spencer has been in isolation at Bellevue Hospital Center since Thursday, when he reported having a fever of 100.3 degrees.

The statement was careful not to convey a sense of pessimism, and patients undergoing treatment can worsen before they recover. In a brief telephone interview from his room at Bellevue, Dr. Spencer spoke of his sickness in a neutral tone that seemed stripped of illusions: “I’m still undergoing treatment,” he said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/26/n...n-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
 
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An update on Dr. Spencer:

The condition of New York City’s first Ebola patient, Dr. Craig Spencer, worsened on Saturday, though he remained awake and communicative, health officials said.

Dr. Spencer, 33, was “entering the next and more serious phase of his illness, as anticipated with the appearance of gastrointestinal symptoms,” Ana Marengo, a spokeswoman for the city’s public hospital system, said in a statement. Dr. Spencer has been in isolation at Bellevue Hospital Center since Thursday, when he reported having a fever of 100.3 degrees.

The statement was careful not to convey a sense of pessimism, and patients undergoing treatment can worsen before they recover. In a brief telephone interview from his room at Bellevue, Dr. Spencer spoke of his sickness in a neutral tone that seemed stripped of illusions: “I’m still undergoing treatment,” he said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/26/n...lumn-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0



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Yeah I heard the one Doctor saying he would get worse before he got better.
 
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I am hopeful that he will recover and that these dark hours are just before dawn.
 
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Well... that's not opening the floodgate to future authoritarian abuses.... What's next? AIDS patients? Hep C patients? TB Patients?

Absolutely. Anyone knowingly spreading a deadly disease should be stopped. Just the same as a drunk driver or a killer with a knife. Knowingly endangering someones life and/or killing them should be illegal despite the weapon used.
 
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I am hopeful that he will recover and that these dark hours are just before dawn.

Not if Obama can help it.
 
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Sounds like someone is listening to too much Alex Jones.

More like, watching the clown-in-charge.
 
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What I have seen so far has been incompetence on the part of the medical field and the CDC. Medical personnel have not been properly trained and did not have the proper protective gear. Proper facilities for quarantine are not available for people that may show symptoms. We are now going to be sued for the pathetic quarantine facilities a person had to endure. What happens when we need to quarantine a few hundred people because the next so called professional decides to go to the movies or a ball game instead of following self quarantine protocol.

The people coming back have proven they cannot be trusted to self quarantine. Reckless and irresponsible behavior is all we have seen so far. Our entire medical facilities and the CDC have proven the cannot handle a single person so far without major screw ups. God help us if dozens of people start coming back with this disease. Instead of competent professional handling of this deadly disease it looks more like Laurel and Hardy or the 3 Stooges are in charge. Smart people fear this incompetency and rightly so.
 
What I have seen so far has been incompetence on the part of the medical field and the CDC. Medical personnel have not been properly trained and did not have the proper protective gear. Proper facilities for quarantine are not available for people that may show symptoms. We are now going to be sued for the pathetic quarantine facilities a person had to endure. What happens when we need to quarantine a few hundred people because the next so called professional decides to go to the movies or a ball game instead of following self quarantine protocol.

The disease isn't spread in a way that could happen. The person would have to vomit or bleed on all those hundreds of people. It's not airborne. Duncan lived with people while very sick and didn't infect them.

The people coming back have proven they cannot be trusted to self quarantine. Reckless and irresponsible behavior is all we have seen so far. Our entire medical facilities and the CDC have proven the cannot handle a single person so far without major screw ups. God help us if dozens of people start coming back with this disease. Instead of competent professional handling of this deadly disease it looks more like Laurel and Hardy or the 3 Stooges are in charge. Smart people fear this incompetency and rightly so.

Not true. The only screw up was in Texas. Seven or eight others have been treated, recovered and released without incident including the two nurses infected in Texas.
 
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More like, watching the clown-in-charge.

OK, Obama wants people to die... Got it! The Bilderberg's last met in late May. Is this when the plot was hatched? Is this the mass death event Jones has been predicting for a decade or so? I thought it was going to be thru vaccines, but I guess Ebola works, although not until the Elites can release the airborne version.
 
The disease isn't spread in a way that could happen. The person would have to vomit or bleed on all those hundreds of people. It's not airborne. Duncan lived with people while very sick and didn't infect them.

The first patient brought into this country infected 2 people under the best conditions the CDC and our medical field could provide. They couldn't handle one patient without infecting others. So much for how hard it is to spread this disease.

What if the next infected person decides to ride the subway for several days and go to a ball game, a movie, and so on. None of these people will have any protective gear that come into contact with this person. What if this infected person does vomit all over a bunch of people in a subway car or the movie theater. People will panic and run in every direction spreading this disease everywhere. We could easily have hundreds of people needing to be isolated regardless of how many actually contract the disease.

That is if we could find them all. All you need is one person to contract it who does not watch the news or trust the authorities to start spreading this disease. A drug dealer or gang banger gets infected and this disease could be spread easily to hundreds of people before he is caught and stopped.



Not true. The only screw up was in Texas. Seven or eight others have been treated, recovered and released without incident including the two nurses infected in Texas.

In Texas the CDC and our medical field proved they could not handle a single patient without spreading this disease. FACT.

People returning have proven they will not follow self quarantine and will put peoples lives at risk in this country. FACT.

This poor lady quarantined in a tent proves how unprepared we are for a possible outbreak in this country. FACT.

The only good news is by either luck or the hand of God more people haven't been infected.

What is really sad is all that needs to be done to protect the American people is to quarantine these people coming back for a couple of weeks before allowing them to return to this country.
 
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The first patient brought into this country infected 2 people under the best conditions the CDC and our medical field could provide. They couldn't handle one patient without infecting others. So much for how hard it is to spread this disease.

No, the best conditions were in the hospitals that are familiar with treating Ebola patients, and in those institutions, there have been no infected healthcare workers. Letting that hospital treat Duncan was a mistake. We've solved that problem. All future patients will go to one of very few sites with proper training, gear, equipped to handle this disease.

What if the next infected person decides to ride the subway for several days and go to a ball game, a movie, and so on. None of these people will have any protective gear that come into contact with this person. What if this infected person does vomit all over a bunch of people in a subway car or the movie theater. People will panic and run in every direction spreading this disease everywhere. We could easily have hundreds of people needing to be isolated regardless of how many actually contract the disease.

You're creating a false choice - quarantine or nothing. If we can quarantine them, we can track them, call them twice a day, etc. And someone sick enough to vomit everywhere isn't going to go to a ballgame. These are healthcare workers we're talking about - they've seen the disease kill people. They know the symptoms and the risks, and risked their lives to stop the spread. You're assuming these same people will, when at home in the U.S., behave like total idiots and put people at risk for getting the disease they just risked their lives to stop.

That is if we could find them all. All you need is one person to contract it who does not watch the news or trust the authorities to start spreading this disease. A drug dealer or gang banger gets infected and this disease could be spread easily to hundreds of people before he is caught and stopped.

Interesting choice of hypothetical persons getting infected - gang bangers? WTF does that come from - but in Africa, with massive poverty, no real healthcare infrastructure, terrible conditions, etc. it spreads more like 1-2 than 1-300.

In Texas the CDC and our medical field proved they could not handle a single patient without spreading this disease. FACT.

They've handled 8 without spreading the disease - FACT. One hospital with untrained workers made massive mistakes - many of them. We've solved that problem, and will send future patients to specialized facilities that CAN handle Ebola.

People returning have proven they will not follow self quarantine and will put peoples lives at risk in this country. FACT.

NOT fact. They self monitored, checked themselves into treatment, and have infected no one. That is fact.

This poor lady quarantined in a tent proves how unprepared we are for a possible outbreak in this country. FACT.

Why? Because you say so? Please explain.

The only good news is by either luck or the hand of God more people haven't been infected.

That and science tells us the disease is hard to spread, normally only by contact with blood, feces, etc.

What is really sad is all that needs to be done to protect the American people is to quarantine these people coming back for a couple of weeks before allowing them to return to this country.

Another good plan is to avoid panic and trust in the science. Worldwide, outside of Africa, there have been 18 people treated for Ebola. 18. In this country 9. Of those 9, 7 have recovered, 1 died, one is in treatment. Not one person other than a healthcare worker has been infected, and the two that have, treated and recovered. We're having a freakout about something FAR in excess of the actual risk to us.
 
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OK, Obama wants people to die... Got it! The Bilderberg's last met in late May. Is this when the plot was hatched? Is this the mass death event Jones has been predicting for a decade or so? I thought it was going to be thru vaccines, but I guess Ebola works, although not until the Elites can release the airborne version.

It's not a plot. It's incompetance.
 
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It's not a plot. It's incompetance.

And obvious incompetence, because other than Duncan, ZERO people have died in America from Ebola..... wait, what???
 
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And obvious incompetence, because other than Duncan, ZERO people have died in America from Ebola..... wait, what???

Obama saved all those people? :roll:
 
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No. Just missing the evidence of incompetence.
The incompetence lays in that this administration was warned of this long before Duncan even thought of coming here and they did nothing....FOUR!!!!
 
These are healthcare workers we're talking about - they've seen the disease kill people. They know the symptoms and the risks, and risked their lives to stop the spread. You're assuming these same people will, when at home in the U.S., behave like total idiots and put people at risk for getting the disease they just risked their lives to stop.

That dimwit in NYC did.

"I'm sick. I think i'll take the subway and go bowling!"
 
That dimwit in NYC did.

"I'm sick. I think i'll take the subway and go bowling!"

No, he actually didn't. He wasn't running a fever and so his risk of infecting others at that point was zero.
 
No, he actually didn't. He wasn't running a fever and so his risk of infecting others at that point was zero.

Did he or did he not violate self quarantine?
 
Did he or did he not violate self quarantine?

I wasn't aware he was under any quarantine, self or otherwise. He's not a risk to anyone until he develops a fever. No need for a quarantine. He did check his temperature regularly and as soon as one developed, checked himself in for treatment, as planned. Hundreds have returned back from Ebola country in the same way - self monitored.
 
I wasn't aware he was under any quarantine, self or otherwise. He's not a risk to anyone until he develops a fever. No need for a quarantine. He did check his temperature regularly and as soon as one developed, checked himself in for treatment, as planned. Hundreds have returned back from Ebola country in the same way - self monitored.

There is the problem. A cocky attitude when playing with fire and everyone ends up burnt.

People who have been exposed to this disease should be quarantined either before leaving that country or at a facility here in this country. A short quarantine to protect the people of this country from death and/or needless suffering is not too much to ask. Too many people have already been put in harms way. Just because we got away with it this time does not mean we will continue to be so lucky. Who is to say when or where this disease may mutate. This disease at any time can become airborne or jump to an animal such as a rat that we have no possible means of quarantine. It may already be spreading or mutating. Nobody, not you, me, or all the experts in the world can guarantee it hasn't. One thing for sure is the more exposure this virus gets to different animals, people, and environments the more likely it is going to happen. We are playing a dangerous game with a very deadly disease. Intelligent people know we don't have all the answers and we don't have this disease under control. If we did people would not be dying in Africa. The common cold has proven how helpless we are against a virus. One thing for sure bringing this disease to our country and exposing the people unnecessarily is stupid plain and simple.
 
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There is the problem. A cocky attitude when playing with fire and everyone ends up burnt.

People who have been exposed to this disease should be quarantined either before leaving that country or at a facility here in this country. A short quarantine to protect the people of this country from death and/or needless suffering is not too much to ask. Too many people have already been put in harms way. Just because we got away with it this time does not mean we will continue to be so lucky. Who is to say when or where this disease may mutate. This disease at any time can become airborne or jump to an animal such as a rat that we have no possible means of quarantine. It may already be spreading or mutating. Nobody, not you, me, or all the experts in the world can guarantee it hasn't. One thing for sure is the more exposure this virus gets to different animals, people, and environments the more likely it is going to happen. We are playing a dangerous game with a very deadly disease. Intelligent people know we don't have all the answers and we don't have this disease under control. If we did people would not be dying in Africa. The common cold has proven how helpless we are against a virus. One thing for sure bringing this disease to our country and exposing the people unnecessarily is stupid plain and simple.

It's been around for decades and hasn't gone airborne yet. Fact is, if it mutated to change the way it is transmitted, it might become less deadly or mostly benign. In the meantime, all kinds of diseases COULD become deadly overnight (e.g. the flu), HIV COULD become airborne, etc. but public policy treats them as they are, now what our worst fears imagine they might be.
 
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