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Union Demands send Firm and jobs packing from California

No it doesn't since you don't live in Kentucky or TX where we do and this isn't a national election
Now that is an excellent example of "semantics" that was improperly used earlier in this thread.
 
Now that is an excellent example of "semantics" that was improperly used earlier in this thread.

What is typical of people like you is total lack of understanding of personal responsibility. Seems when you were born you seem to believe it was the government's role to take care of you. It never is personal responsibility to take a job with low pay, is it? You are a perfect example of what is wrong with this country today, always expecting someone else to do what you fail to do for yourself.
 
What is typical of people like you is total lack of understanding of personal responsibility. Seems when you were born you seem to believe it was the government's role to take care of you. It never is personal responsibility to take a job with low pay, is it? You are a perfect example of what is wrong with this country today, always expecting someone else to do what you fail to do for yourself.
I'm impressed that you're able to determine my societal value by reading a handful of responses on an internet forum.
 
I'm impressed that you're able to determine my societal value by reading a handful of responses on an internet forum.
It seems pretty easy. Radical left wing kooks just have a way with radical left wing ideas. If one posts one leaves clues...
 
You can consider it crazy, but this process exists and has been used for longer than you've been around to badmouth it.

Yes it was the process failed and collapsed on itself. see the medivial trade guildes. that is exactly where this came from. yet they ended up in disaster.
why? the same reason that the current unions are ending up in disaster they got too greedy for their own good. no one wanted to pay their prices so they sought out independant merchants etc to do it for far cheaper.

of course the guildes back then used the same tactics that unions do now for non-union employee's and employee's not wanting to join the union.
they send their thugs to intimidate and harass people (all of which is illegal of course) which is why the unions want card check to begin with.

so they can send their union thugs to your house to try and threaten and intimidate you and your family into joining the party.

not all unions are bad the local unions that are not party to the national organizaions do very well for themselves and the employee's and the company.
very rarely are strikes inccured as both offer reasonable demands that can be agreed to.

in this case however the union cost people jobs that they otherwise would have had.

PS if you are so up in arms about card check why don't you go rail on media matters which rejected the same process.
 
Yes it was the process failed and collapsed on itself. see the medivial trade guildes. that is exactly where this came from. yet they ended up in disaster.
why? the same reason that the current unions are ending up in disaster they got too greedy for their own good. no one wanted to pay their prices so they sought out independant merchants etc to do it for far cheaper.

of course the guildes back then used the same tactics that unions do now for non-union employee's and employee's not wanting to join the union.
they send their thugs to intimidate and harass people (all of which is illegal of course) which is why the unions want card check to begin with.

so they can send their union thugs to your house to try and threaten and intimidate you and your family into joining the party.

not all unions are bad the local unions that are not party to the national organizaions do very well for themselves and the employee's and the company.
very rarely are strikes inccured as both offer reasonable demands that can be agreed to.

in this case however the union cost people jobs that they otherwise would have had.

PS if you are so up in arms about card check why don't you go rail on media matters which rejected the same process.

Your argument is that unions are greedy to an unsustainable point but that multinational corporations are ____________?
 
Your argument is that unions are greedy to an unsustainable point but that multinational corporations are ____________?

your failure to address what is said is typical
 
Your argument is that unions are greedy to an unsustainable point but that multinational corporations are ____________?

Multi national corporations are responsible to shareholders and people like you, union bosses are responsible to no one. Why don't you look at the salaries of your union bosses and then ask yourself what they do for their money? There is a reason that a very small percentage of Americans belong to unions today. Suggest you find out why?

Unions are greedy and bankrupt companies just like they did GM/Chrysler and couldn't care less. You are very naive when it comes to unions. I dealt with them for decades.
 
Multi national corporations are responsible to shareholders and people like you, union bosses are responsible to no one. Why don't you look at the salaries of your union bosses and then ask yourself what they do for their money? There is a reason that a very small percentage of Americans belong to unions today. Suggest you find out why?

Unions are greedy and bankrupt companies just like they did GM/Chrysler and couldn't care less. You are very naive when it comes to unions. I dealt with them for decades.

Union bosses are responsible to those that elect them: the union members.

Union leaders' pay is nowhere near as obscenely out of relationship as CEO pay.
 
Union bosses are responsible to those that elect them: the union members.

Union leaders' pay is nowhere near as obscenely out of relationship as CEO pay.

That is your opinion, tell me what your union boss did for you?

Union bosses contribute exactly what to the company and obviously you have no idea what union leadership makes, all six figure salaries and contribute nothing to the company
 
That is your opinion, tell me what your union boss did for you?

Union bosses contribute exactly what to the company and obviously you have no idea what union leadership makes, all six figure salaries and contribute nothing to the company
Union bosses have no obligation to the company just as CEO's have no obligation to the workers.

Your post suggests a fundamental misunderstanding of labor relations.
 
Union bosses have no obligation to the company just as CEO's have no obligation to the workers.

Your post suggests a fundamental misunderstanding of labor relations.

You see, therein lies the problem, without a company there are no jobs and no Union bosses

My post suggests reality. Dealt with unions for decades and know exactly what I am talking about. What is your experience?
 
You see, therein lies the problem, without a company there are no jobs and no Union bosses

My post suggests reality. Dealt with unions for decades and know exactly what I am talking about. What is your experience?
A company without workers doesn't produce anything. What's your point? Both sides (management, labor) need to work together to produce any results, products, profits, market share, etc.

Unions don't inhibit results they simply shift the interests to be more balanced between management and labor.

Corporations don't hold all the chips, but our system would have us believe they do.
 
A company without workers doesn't produce anything. What's your point? Both sides (management, labor) need to work together to produce any results, products, profits, market share, etc.

Unions don't inhibit results they simply shift the interests to be more balanced between management and labor.

Corporations don't hold all the chips, but our system would have us believe they do.

Bankrupt companies go out of business, that is my point If union bosses don't contribute to the company why do they get the big salaries? Shifting interests to the unions is what union bosses do selling their services in the name of compassion but never generating compassionate results. Union bosses don't give a damn about the company or even the employees. They are self centered selfish individuals that peddle their wares to the next group of saps that buy their bs.

Corporations are run by people, managed by people, and do indeed hold the chips. They are in business to make money. You don't want to work for a corporation don't. Stop getting someone else to make your demands for you.

Still waiting for your experience with unions
 
Bankrupt companies go out of business, that is my point If union bosses don't contribute to the company why do they get the big salaries? Shifting interests to the unions is what union bosses do selling their services in the name of compassion but never generating compassionate results. Union bosses don't give a damn about the company or even the employees. They are self centered selfish individuals that peddle their wares to the next group of saps that buy their bs.

Corporations are run by people, managed by people, and do indeed hold the chips. They are in business to make money. You don't want to work for a corporation don't. Stop getting someone else to make your demands for you.

Still waiting for your experience with unions
Bankruptcy only occurs if there is a poor balance of interests between management and labor. Both sides negotiate to reach terms that are acceptable. Both sides agree. Both adhere to terms. That's what contracts are for. It's not simply a unilateral decision made by the union without consent if the company.

Why is it that a bankrupt company is your only concern and not bankrupt workers?
 
Bankruptcy only occurs if there is a poor balance of interests between management and labor. Both sides negotiate to reach terms that are acceptable. Both sides agree. Both adhere to terms. That's what contracts are for. It's not simply a unilateral decision made by the union without consent if the company.

Why is it that a bankrupt company is your only concern and not bankrupt workers?

Workers can sell their wares to anyone that will have them, companies have to generate revenue through the sales of products to consumers who have a choice on where they buy. You really are very young, aren't you?

Workers have exactly what invested in the company? Time? Money? You simply have no idea how business operates. What is the largest monthly operating expense a business has?
 
Workers can sell their wares to anyone that will have them, companies have to generate revenue through the sales of products to consumers who have a choice on where they buy. You really are very young, aren't you?

Workers have exactly what invested in the company? Time? Money? You simply have no idea how business operates. What is the largest monthly operating expense a business has?

What point are you trying to make here?

That businesses are more fragile than the lives of those working for them?

That employee turnover harms businesses?

That workers don't invest blood, sweat, and tears into their jobs?
 
What point are you trying to make here?

That businesses are more fragile than the lives of those working for them?

That employee turnover harms businesses?

That workers don't invest blood, sweat, and tears into their jobs?

My point is that businesses are in business to make money, they are not charities. Employee turnover is an expense to business and employee salaries are the biggest operating expense a business has. A union drives up operating expenses and businesses cannot generate a return on their investment and pay those expenses they go out of business.

This is a great country that allows you to start your own business. Why don't you just do that and see how unions will affect you?
 
My point is that businesses are in business to make money, they are not charities. Employee turnover is an expense to business and employee salaries are the biggest operating expense a business has. A union drives up operating expenses and businesses cannot generate a return on their investment and pay those expenses they go out of business.

This is a great country that allows you to start your own business. Why don't you just do that and see how unions will affect you?

We agree that businesses are in business to make money. Unions are around to protect workers. You're arguing that only one of those two functions is beneficial, which I consider short sighted.
 
We agree that businesses are in business to make money. Unions are around to protect workers. You're arguing that only one of those two functions is beneficial, which I consider short sighted.

You really are very naive if you believe unions are around to protect the workers. Unions are around to make money as well and have absolutely nothing invested in the businesses many destroy
 
We agree that businesses are in business to make money. Unions are around to protect workers. You're arguing that only one of those two functions is beneficial, which I consider short sighted.

You really are very naive if you believe unions are around to protect the workers. Unions are around to make money as well and have absolutely nothing invested in the businesses many destroy

Unions are like liberals, telling you what you want to hear, you buy the rhetoric, and then pay for that rhetoric every day in higher costs
 
You really are very naive if you believe unions are around to protect the workers. Unions are around to make money as well and have absolutely nothing invested in the businesses many destroy

Unions are like liberals, telling you what you want to hear, you buy the rhetoric, and then pay for that rhetoric every day in higher costs

If unions are "only around to make money", they're very good at getting good stuff accomplished accidentally. Union members earn more, have better benefits, and better job security. Imagine what they could accomplish if they weren't "just out to make money."
 
If unions are "only around to make money", they're very good at getting good stuff accomplished accidentally. Union members earn more, have better benefits, and better job security. Imagine what they could accomplish if they weren't "just out to make money."

If unions are so great at doing what you say why is union support continuing to decline and such a low percentage of people members? Could it be that people aren't seeing what you are seeing?
 
If unions are so great at doing what you say why is union support continuing to decline and such a low percentage of people members? Could it be that people aren't seeing what you are seeing?
America has been shifting to individualistic mentality for decades. Unions are a casualty of that mindset. The myth of self-sufficiency and the narrative of success as an individual achievement are at this point deeply rooted in the American psyche. Unions are largely the antithesis of what Americans believe are the means to success, even if they would provide results that are in keeping with what Americans actually want.
 
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