• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Union Demands send Firm and jobs packing from California

Conservative

Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Dec 9, 2009
Messages
134,496
Reaction score
14,621
Location
Houston, TX
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Conservative
"The "Antelope Valley Residents for Responsible Development," a group backed by the International Brotherhood Workers Union Local 11, produced a 588-page appeal claiming that construction of the proposed factory would violate state environmental laws, by, among other things, kicking up spores. What the union really wanted, according to Kinkisharyo officials, was clearance to organize the plant without any interference from the company. When Kinkisharyo officials balked, the project suddenly became a potential environmental hazard." OP's link

"Valley Fever (Coccidioidomycosis) is primarily a disease of the lungs that is common in the southwestern United States and northwestern Mexico. It is caused by the fungus Coccidioides sp., which grows in soils in areas of low rainfall, high summer temperatures, and moderate winter temperatures. These fungal spores become airborne when the soil is disturbed by winds, construction, farming and other activities.

Valley Fever infections are more likely to occur during certain seasons. In Arizona, the highest prevalence of infections occurs June through July and from October through November. In California, the risk of infection is highest from June through November, without the late summer break.

It is estimated that there are about 150,000 infections in the southwestern U.S. each year. Approximately one-third of these results in a self-limited, possibly lengthy, respiratory illness. However, in a small percentage the illness is more serious and potentially lethal.

In susceptible people and animals, infection occurs when a spore is inhaled. Within the lung, the spore changes into a larger, multicellular structure called a spherule. The spherule grows and bursts, releasing endospores which develop into spherules. Valley Fever symptoms generally occur within three weeks of exposure. Valley Fever is not a "contagious" disease, meaning it is not passed from person to person. Second infections are rare..."
SkinTest.jpg

https://www.vfce.arizona.edu/GeneralInfo/WhatIsValleyFever.aspx
 
"What the union really wanted, according to Kinkisharyo officials, was clearance to organize the plant without any interference from the company."

Workers have a right to organize.
 
"What the union really wanted, according to Kinkisharyo officials, was clearance to organize the plant without any interference from the company."

Workers have a right to organize.

...And the company has done nothing to prevent them from organizing.
 
...And the company has done nothing to prevent them from organizing.

Based on the comment I posted, the company has a problem with it.
 
Based on the comment I posted, the company has a problem with it.

They just wanted it to go through the nmormal process, and not simply a card check, as the union wanted. Or, the union wanted to stack the deck and the company said.. no thanks.

The standoff began shortly after the June announcement, when Local 11 officials sought a so-called card check agreement, where a company accepts the union if a majority of workers sign authorization cards. Absent such an agreement, the National Labor Relations Board would authorize a secret ballot during an organizing campaign the company would be free to oppose. The company said no thanks.

Expand / Contract Delays caused by a union-backed environmental complaint have cost the company $2 million, and prompted it to look out of state for a site to build its plant. (Kinkisharyo) (KINKISHARYO)

"We offer good salaries and good benefits, and we've never had a labor issue," Donald Boss, Kinkisharyo's general manager of program management, told The Los Angeles Times. "If our employees want to organize, they can. But we aren't going to organize for them."
 
Based on the comment I posted, the company has a problem with it.

I think the company has a problem with strong armed labor tactics. It's not a problem now. They're leaving that area, and so are the prospective jobs.
 
"What the union really wanted, according to Kinkisharyo officials, was clearance to organize the plant without any interference from the company."

Workers have a right to organize.

And, the company has the right to move where the unions cannot damage them - which damages the state, and the workers.
 
"What the union really wanted, according to Kinkisharyo officials, was clearance to organize the plant without any interference from the company."

Workers have a right to organize.


Sure they do.

And Corporations and wealth have a right to relocate

When is the left EVER going to realize this ?
 
Sure they do.

And Corporations and wealth have a right to relocate

When is the left EVER going to realize this ?

I realize that scab friendly states undercut fair paying and safe jobs.

I believe workers' rights should be strengthened nationally to prevent other states from allowing the race to the bottom that we've been seeing for decades now as middle class jobs disappear while corporate profits skyrocket.
 
Sure they do.

And Corporations and wealth have a right to relocate

When is the left EVER going to realize this ?

Thats true....and that's why states such as Texas that give free land away and hand out tons of corporate welfare bring the quality of life down for the vast majority of workers while lining the pockets of the CEO's with taxpayer money.

Texas has the highest percentage of people working for minimum wage (Tied with Mississippi).....do you think this is good for the working and middle class?
 
I realize that scab friendly states undercut fair paying and safe jobs.

I believe workers' rights should be strengthened nationally to prevent other states from allowing the race to the bottom that we've been seeing for decades now as middle class jobs disappear while corporate profits skyrocket.



LOL !!

You mean the States with growing economies ?? Where workers can actually earn a living ?

You can " believe " all you want. The Unions only have themselves to blame.

Thuggery can only get you so far.
 
Thats true....and that's why states such as Texas that give free land away and hand out tons of corporate welfare bring the quality of life down for the vast majority of workers while lining the pockets of the CEO's with taxpayer money.

Texas has the highest percentage of people working for minimum wage (Tied with Mississippi).....do you think this is good for the working and middle class?


Oh please.

Texas offered Toyota 40 Million in Tax incentives to move here so they could build a 300 Million dollar facility and hire 3000 Texans.

All high paying jobs too.

Its called a INVESTMENT. Look it up.
 
Oh please.

Texas offered Toyota 40 Million in Tax incentives to move here so they could build a 300 Million dollar facility and hire 3000 Texans.

All high paying jobs too.

Its called a INVESTMENT. Look it up.

There is a reason why Texas ranks near the bottom in education and healthcare spending. They have plenty of free land and corporate welfare to hand out, but cannot fund essential services. You cite one company with good paying jobs. Doesn't change the fact that Texas is #1 in the country (along with Mississippi) in the number of people working for minimum wage.
 
"What the union really wanted, according to Kinkisharyo officials, was clearance to organize the plant without any interference from the company."

Workers have a right to organize.

Yes, and as the union owned legislators have once again proven, employers know how to give them one vote with their middle fingers.

Any wonder why California has been experiencing some of the worst unemployment rates in the country for so many years? Any wonder why it has the highest poverty rate in the country? Among the highest taxes and fees. Cities going bankrupt under unsustainable union rewarded pay and benefits packages?

It's a shame on one hand that Californians eager for good paying jobs have had to more union backed harm to their families economic future, but it is another example of the harm they do, which can only serve to expose the lies unions tell throughout the state. Perhaps one day voters will recognize they have been had, and will vote the politicians the unions own out of Sacramento.
 
Thats true....and that's why states such as Texas that give free land away and hand out tons of corporate welfare bring the quality of life down for the vast majority of workers while lining the pockets of the CEO's with taxpayer money.

Texas has the highest percentage of people working for minimum wage (Tied with Mississippi).....do you think this is good for the working and middle class?

California has the highest poverty rate in the country. Do you think that is good for those who are suffering from California's liberal/progressive, anti-job, anti-business agenda?
 
LOL !!

You mean the States with growing economies ?? Where workers can actually earn a living ?

You can " believe " all you want. The Unions only have themselves to blame.

Thuggery can only get you so far.

Undercutting your citizens into low paying jobs hurts both your citizens and the citizens of the states standing up for better conditions and pay.

Taking a low ball offer doesn't make you a winner, it makes the corporation low balling you a winner. Everyone else loses.
 
Undercutting your citizens into low paying jobs hurts both your citizens and the citizens of the states standing up for better conditions and pay.

Taking a low ball offer doesn't make you a winner, it makes the corporation low balling you a winner. Everyone else loses.
Well, then start your own company in California and invite in the unions to get as much as they possibly can from you. Whats that? You don't know how to start a business? That's what I thought. You just want the state to impose your will on those who do have the ability to start their own enterprises. Got it.
 
There is a reason why Texas ranks near the bottom in education and healthcare spending. They have plenty of free land and corporate welfare to hand out, but cannot fund essential services. You cite one company with good paying jobs. Doesn't change the fact that Texas is #1 in the country (along with Mississippi) in the number of people working for minimum wage.

LOL !!

Thats ALL you have. Left wing false narratives not supported by anything but your opinion.

Texas is kicking ass, so suck it up
 
Undercutting your citizens into low paying jobs hurts both your citizens and the citizens of the states standing up for better conditions and pay.

Taking a low ball offer doesn't make you a winner, it makes the corporation low balling you a winner. Everyone else loses.

Lies....

Texas leads THE NATION in jobs created across ALL pay scales.

We lead the Nation in the creation of High paying jobs.

Deal with it.
 
Well, then start your own company in California and invite in the unions to get as much as they possibly can from you. Whats that? You don't know how to start a business? That's what I thought. You just want the state to impose your will on those who do have the ability to start their own enterprises. Got it.

"Only business owners should have a say in what is fair for the workers they employ."
 
"Only business owners should have a say in what is fair for the workers they employ."

Seems to me that the potential employee also has a say.. You know.. Accept or decline a job. Also, you know, some government regulations are necessary.. So the would have a say too.
 
Seems to me that the potential employee also has a say.. You know.. Accept or decline a job. Also, you know, some government regulations are necessary.. So the would have a say too.

The potential employee negotiating on their own against an organized corporation isn't much of a negotiation. Providing opportunities and encouraging workers to organize levels the systemic imbalance between corporate interests and the rest of us.
 
The potential employee negotiating on their own against an organized corporation isn't much of a negotiation. Providing opportunities and encouraging workers to organize levels the systemic imbalance between corporate interests and the rest of us.

The job is worth what someone is willing to do it for. As for this specific company, they werne't even against the union.. They were against the stacked deck of a card check election and they claim they pay a decent salary and haven't had employment issues in the past. So.. Maybe not so much.
 
And, the company has the right to move where the unions cannot damage them - which damages the state, and the workers.

If LA can cancel the LRV purchase contract, they should.
 
Back
Top Bottom