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    Re: Union Demands send Firm and jobs packing from California

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    That has more to do with the ascension of BRIC nations than failures with California.
    California also has the highest poverty rate in the country. Unions haven't helped the citizens in California much.

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    Re: Union Demands send Firm and jobs packing from California

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    That has more to do with the ascension of BRIC nations than failures with California.
    Yes, I am familiar with this cop out used by people trying to hide from the obvious. The elephant in the room crushing this rather laughable excuse goes back to California's one time position as the economic leader of the nation. It used to be first to recover from economic down turns, and last to feel them. Today, it continues to hover at or near the top in unemployment, ranks as home to the highest poverty in the country, and you saw where it ranks in all the measures I posted previously. It's interesting that the BRIC nations actually grew by incorporating the very economic principles that once formed the backbone of California's approach to opportunity and growth. That no longer exists here.

    What is sad is that there are those union apologists who chose to ignore the massive job loss in manufacturing and other industries in California as a result of actions taken by a state legislature beholden to the unions who bought them, while demanding business pay for more and more of the agenda that is crushing them.

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    Re: Union Demands send Firm and jobs packing from California

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    California also has the highest poverty rate in the country. Unions haven't helped the citizens in California much.
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    Yes, I am familiar with this cop out used by people trying to hide from the obvious. The elephant in the room crushing this rather laughable excuse goes back to California's one time position as the economic leader of the nation. It used to be first to recover from economic down turns, and last to feel them. Today, it continues to hover at or near the top in unemployment, ranks as home to the highest poverty in the country, and you saw where it ranks in all the measures I posted previously. It's interesting that the BRIC nations actually grew by incorporating the very economic principles that once formed the backbone of California's approach to opportunity and growth. That no longer exists here.

    What is sad is that there are those union apologists who chose to ignore the massive job loss in manufacturing and other industries in California as a result of actions taken by a state legislature beholden to the unions who bought them, while demanding business pay for more and more of the agenda that is crushing them.
    1) California's poverty rate can be determined through a number of different calculations. Some are more flattering than others. The one you're referencing primarily increases our poverty rank through our insane cost of housing, which I'll absolutely agree is unsustainable and needs correction.

    2) Unions are only as strong as the people that support them, and are dependent on unity to succeed. The greater they're undermined the less they can provide to their members. That can be accomplished through competition with non union workers locally, interstate, or internationally. Domestic unions only have so much power to prevent being beaten by lower paid workers in nations such as BRIC or even the RTW states. This isn't a design flaw, it's a reality that organizations are only as powerful as their roster and resources.
    "The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten." ~Napoleon

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    Re: Union Demands send Firm and jobs packing from California

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    1) California's poverty rate can be determined through a number of different calculations. Some are more flattering than others. The one you're referencing primarily increases our poverty rank through our insane cost of housing, which I'll absolutely agree is unsustainable and needs correction.

    2) Unions are only as strong as the people that support them, and are dependent on unity to succeed. The greater they're undermined the less they can provide to their members. That can be accomplished through competition with non union workers locally, interstate, or internationally. Domestic unions only have so much power to prevent being beaten by lower paid workers in nations such as BRIC or even the RTW states. This isn't a design flaw, it's a reality that organizations are only as powerful as their roster and resources.
    When you get out of school and get your first job, be sure to join a union then come back to us in a few years and tell us how much you enjoyed that union membership.

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    Re: Union Demands send Firm and jobs packing from California

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    If you truly had the facts on your side, union membership wouldn't be so low, Obama would have a higher Job approval rating, and California wouldn't be losing jobs to the rest of the nation.
    You're giving the market far too much credit if you're claiming it is capable of being an arbiter of truth.
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    Re: Union Demands send Firm and jobs packing from California

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    You're giving the market far too much credit if you're claiming it is capable of being an arbiter of truth.
    Since you never have been in a union and probably never held a job I won't be giving you any credit for your posts other than saying you are out of touch with reality and have no concept as to the harm unions have done to the economy and the business world in general. California just lost jobs due to unions so how many more companies have to pull out of California before you start questioning your own beliefs in unions?

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    Re: Union Demands send Firm and jobs packing from California

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    Since you never have been in a union and probably never held a job I won't be giving you any credit for your posts other than saying you are out of touch with reality and have no concept as to the harm unions have done to the economy and the business world in general. California just lost jobs due to unions so how many more companies have to pull out of California before you start questioning your own beliefs in unions?
    I have not given any information on my employment history on this forum. Your statements about them are meritless.
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    Re: Union Demands send Firm and jobs packing from California

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    1) California's poverty rate can be determined through a number of different calculations. Some are more flattering than others. The one you're referencing primarily increases our poverty rank through our insane cost of housing, which I'll absolutely agree is unsustainable and needs correction.

    2) Unions are only as strong as the people that support them, and are dependent on unity to succeed. The greater they're undermined the less they can provide to their members. That can be accomplished through competition with non union workers locally, interstate, or internationally. Domestic unions only have so much power to prevent being beaten by lower paid workers in nations such as BRIC or even the RTW states. This isn't a design flaw, it's a reality that organizations are only as powerful as their roster and resources.
    California's poverty rate is determined by one common denominator used by the Census Bureau, not a number of different calculations. It takes into account far more than housing. Sorry but California's ranking is what it is. Unions and liberal/progressive legislators own that result.

    Unions are only as strong today as the industries they haven't damaged enough to be inconsequential in the US. As you have shown by sidestepping the issue of compensation as it relates to all the other pressures facing business today, it's obvious there is little interest in the long term health of a business, and the only focus is on the short term greed of union members and their negotiators at the bargaining table. There should be little wonder why this disconnect has caused such harm to private sector union membership, and why union tactics are driving cites bankrupt in the public sector.

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    Re: Union Demands send Firm and jobs packing from California

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    1) California's poverty rate can be determined through a number of different calculations. Some are more flattering than others. The one you're referencing primarily increases our poverty rank through our insane cost of housing, which I'll absolutely agree is unsustainable and needs correction.
    Feel free to use whichever calculation gives you the numbers you are hoping for. I'll continue to use the U.S. Census Bureau that ranks California dead last.

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    Re: Union Demands send Firm and jobs packing from California

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    California's poverty rate is determined by one common denominator used by the Census Bureau, not a number of different calculations. It takes into account far more than housing. Sorry but California's ranking is what it is. Unions and liberal/progressive legislators own that result.

    Unions are only as strong today as the industries they haven't damaged enough to be inconsequential in the US. As you have shown by sidestepping the issue of compensation as it relates to all the other pressures facing business today, it's obvious there is little interest in the long term health of a business, and the only focus is on the short term greed of union members and their negotiators at the bargaining table. There should be little wonder why this disconnect has caused such harm to private sector union membership, and why union tactics are driving cites bankrupt in the public sector.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Feel free to use whichever calculation gives you the numbers you are hoping for. I'll continue to use the U.S. Census Bureau that ranks California dead last.
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...y_poverty_rate

    You're going by supplemental poverty rates when you're claiming California is dead last. As I said that's one method of calculating. Using more traditional methods California is currently 35th.
    "The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten." ~Napoleon

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