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    Re: Union Demands send Firm and jobs packing from California

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    I realize that scab friendly states undercut fair paying and safe jobs.
    Whatever state does not get these jobs suffers the lost opportunity. No matter what happens, 49 states are not going to get this new plant. California could have been the lucky ones, but unions made it undesirable. Unions are antibusiness, anti-competition labor cartels that, like all parasites, are incapable of understanding they're killing their host. Or they just don't care.

    I believe workers' rights should be strengthened nationally to prevent other states from allowing the race to the bottom that we've been seeing for decades now as middle class jobs disappear while corporate profits skyrocket.
    Haha, brilliant. Anti-competition tactics from unions fail yet again and the response is to go crying to the Feds begging for more pro-union, anti-business legislation. Truly brilliant. Union parasitism causes business and wealth to flee and the response is "well then pass laws that prohibit fleeing." Total self-sabotage.

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    Re: Union Demands send Firm and jobs packing from California

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    While we may not coddle business interests as much as other states, we're (California) certainly able to attract and maintain enough to be the biggest economy in the US. Atlas hasn't shrugged us yet.


    California was once ranked 5th, it's slipped to 9th. But then again, your answer, and lack of it, wasn't unexpected. The attitude you've developed represents part of the problem, and the middle class suffers as a result.

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    Re: Union Demands send Firm and jobs packing from California

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Whatever state does not get these jobs suffers the lost opportunity. No matter what happens, 49 states are not going to get this new plant. California could have been the lucky ones, but unions made it undesirable. Unions are antibusiness, anti-competition labor cartels that, like all parasites, are incapable of understanding they're killing their host. Or they just don't care.



    Haha, brilliant. Anti-competition tactics from unions fail yet again and the response is to go crying to the Feds begging for more pro-union, anti-business legislation. Truly brilliant. Union parasitism causes business and wealth to flee and the response is "well then pass laws that prohibit fleeing." Total self-sabotage.
    When the median American worker is too fairly paid, we'll shift back towards protecting business interests. Until then I'll err on the side that favors middle class wallets.
    "The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten." ~Napoleon

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    Re: Union Demands send Firm and jobs packing from California

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    When the median American worker is too fairly paid, we'll shift back towards protecting business interests. Until then I'll err on the side that favors middle class wallets.
    You don't favor middle class wallets. It doesn't favor middle class wallets when unions chase jobs out of the state and country.

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    Re: Union Demands send Firm and jobs packing from California

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    You don't favor middle class wallets. It doesn't favor middle class wallets when unions chase jobs out of the state and country.
    It doesn't favor middle class wallets when undercutting is permitted, dropping the standards for everyone.
    "The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten." ~Napoleon

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    Re: Union Demands send Firm and jobs packing from California

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    If we're arguing facts, background isn't relevant, nor is personal experience a trump card since it's mostly limited to anecdotal evidence. I could just as easily argue that my experience with unions exceeds yours but that doesn't promote discussion, which is why ultimately here.
    In order to argue facts you have to understand the financial statement of a business, the costs of running a business, the affect labor has on the business, the union influence, and your competition. You have no concept of any of those items.

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    Re: Union Demands send Firm and jobs packing from California

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    In order to argue facts you have to understand the financial statement of a business, the costs of running a business, the affect labor has on the business, the union influence, and your competition. You have no concept of any of those items.
    If condescending attitudes were facts, you'd have this mopped up by now.
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    Re: Union Demands send Firm and jobs packing from California

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    If condescending attitudes were facts, you'd have this mopped up by now.
    If you truly had the facts on your side, union membership wouldn't be so low, Obama would have a higher Job approval rating, and California wouldn't be losing jobs to the rest of the nation.

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    Re: Union Demands send Firm and jobs packing from California

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    California was once ranked 5th, it's slipped to 9th. But then again, your answer, and lack of it, wasn't unexpected. The attitude you've developed represents part of the problem, and the middle class suffers as a result.
    That has more to do with the ascension of BRIC nations than failures with California.
    "The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten." ~Napoleon

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    Re: Union Demands send Firm and jobs packing from California

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    It doesn't favor middle class wallets when undercutting is permitted, dropping the standards for everyone.
    Look what unions did to the middle class wallets in California that were eagerly awaiting new jobs in their local economy. They sabotaged the people they claim to be helping.

    As for "undercutting," undercutting is how competition happens, and competition is the antidote for monopoly. It's what prevents monopolistic pricing. Unions need monopolistic privileges granted to them by governments and enjoy monopolistic privileges because laws passed by politicians they installed give them that protection. This is how cartels gain power. They need the government's help protecting them from competition that any healthy market and vibrant economy requires. Cartels, like any other monopoly, cannot survive in competitive environments. And conversely economies cannot thrive when markets are held hostage by cartels and monopolies and governments that cater to them.

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