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    Re: Union Demands send Firm and jobs packing from California

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    Authoritarian statists might be unteachable. Do you believe the states should compel businesses to have unions? Should states intercede on behalf of unions to tip the scales against businesses? Or should the worthless, parasitic unions be allowed to die?
    If they're worthless, why do you fear them? You can't fear something that is innocuous, so clearly you fear them for what they produce: better paid, safer employees.

    Balancing the protection of workers with the interests of business should be a state function. Unions serve that function.
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    Re: Union Demands send Firm and jobs packing from California

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    If you really have lived in California, then you would know that the decline in all the things that you stated:

    the best schools, roads, hospitals, airports, public safety, state parks and beaches, etc...all correlate to the passage of prop 13 which has reduced the amount of money collected by the state to pay for those things over the course of the last 4 decades. I know it is easy to try to say it is all due to "illegals", the reality is that it is related to a number of things, but prop 13 has played a key role in what the state is able to fund.
    What a load of BS. California experienced a boom in the 1980s following passage of Prop 13. Income in California grew at a 50% faster pace than the rest of the nation and jobs grew at twice the national rate.

    As far as the budgets go, California's budget grew from $55 billion in 1980 to $97 billion in 1992, hardly draconian cuts. California went from the highest taxed state in the Union to slightly above average.

    People were being forced out of their homes because they couldn't afford to pay the constantly increasing property taxes in the state. Prop 13 helped people stay in their homes. The people kept the money rather than sending it to Sacramento to waste on boondoggles like high speed rails that will never pay off.

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    Re: Union Demands send Firm and jobs packing from California

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    If they're worthless, why do you fear them? You can't fear something that is innocuous, do clearly you fear them for what they produce: better paid, safer employees.

    Balancing the protection of workers with the interests of business should be a state function. Unions serve that function.
    No, unions serve the purpose of channeling campaign money to those that support them, i.e. liberal dems.

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    Re: Union Demands send Firm and jobs packing from California

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    No, unions serve the purpose of channeling campaign money to those that support them, i.e. liberal dems.
    Then we agree in campaign finance reform.
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    Re: Union Demands send Firm and jobs packing from California

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Then we agree in campaign finance reform.
    I have no problem with campaign finance reform, as long as it is uniformly enforced. In the past, unions could give as much as they wanted, corporations could not. That obviously gave Dems a huge advantage.

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    Re: Union Demands send Firm and jobs packing from California

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I have no problem with campaign finance reform, as long as it is uniformly enforced. In the past, unions could give as much as they wanted, corporations could not. That obviously gave Dems a huge advantage.

    Yep, thats why the Libs are all bent out if shape over Citizens United.

    They lost their monopoly

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    Re: Union Demands send Firm and jobs packing from California

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I have no problem with campaign finance reform, as long as it is uniformly enforced. In the past, unions could give as much as they wanted, corporations could not. That obviously gave Dems a huge advantage.
    "The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten." ~Napoleon

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    Re: Union Demands send Firm and jobs packing from California

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    What a load of BS. California experienced a boom in the 1980s following passage of Prop 13. Income in California grew at a 50% faster pace than the rest of the nation and jobs grew at twice the national rate.

    As far as the budgets go, California's budget grew from $55 billion in 1980 to $97 billion in 1992, hardly draconian cuts. California went from the highest taxed state in the Union to slightly above average.

    People were being forced out of their homes because they couldn't afford to pay the constantly increasing property taxes in the state. Prop 13 helped people stay in their homes. The people kept the money rather than sending it to Sacramento to waste on boondoggles like high speed rails that will never pay off.
    You couldn't be more wrong. Job growth has nothing to do with Prop 13. In fact, it was the job growth during the 80's that in large part slowed down the effects of prop 13 because there was more money in the economy. I agree with you in one part...and that is, the goal of prop 13 was certainly noble. There were a lot of people losing their homes because they could not keep up with the increasing property taxes that resulted from the skyrocketing home costs of California. I'm not trying to demonize prop 13 so much as point out that the decrease in revenue is in large part what has lead to a decline in our schools, road, beaches, etc. All those things cost money and they do not fuel themselves. In other words....you cannot have it both ways.
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    Re: Union Demands send Firm and jobs packing from California

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Hmmm, let me see. Should I believe mainstream, middle of the road news sources like the Wall Street Journal, or a left wing group like Republic Report that is unabashedly pro-Democrat, pro-union???

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    Re: Union Demands send Firm and jobs packing from California

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Hmmm, let me see. Should I believe mainstream, middle of the road news sources like the Wall Street Journal, or a left wing group like Republic Report that is unabashedly pro-Democrat, pro-union???
    I find it telling that you consider a Murdock owned newspaper to fall under the umbrella of "middle of the road" while casting aspersions on other sources.
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