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    Re: UNC report finds 18 years of academic fraud to keep athletes playing

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    Sports are not the problem, it's school administration giving the pass to allowing these kids to stay idiots and neglect their education.

    If more parents did what you did and teachers affirmed this along the way, it'd be a different situation entirely.

    It's laziness and irresponsibility on the part of both the players and the school administration.

    Get that in order and everything will fall into place. Not that it will be an overnight thing without some shock to the current culture, but nothing drawn out, doesn't need to be.

    No its deeper than that

    The College's and the Schools are just a part of the process that happens AFTER a kid has been raised by parents who don't give a **** about education in general.

    What would happen if College's around the Country started kicking a larger percentage of black athletes over whites out for not making the grade ?

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    Re: UNC report finds 18 years of academic fraud to keep athletes playing

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    UNC is a great university. One of the nation's top public institutions. This is a ginormous black eye.
    We agree. That's what makes it so troubling that such an institution could fail to deal with and correct the problem early on.

    FWIW, its regional accreditor (the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools) has an integrity requirement (http://sacscoc.org/pdf/2012Principle...editation.pdf: Section 1). The disclosed issue at UNC violated that principle, among some of the SACS other requirements. This integrity requirement is not too dissimilar to ethics-related requirements in the business world e.g., the SEC's requirements that public companyies' CEO and CFO certify the accuracy and completeness of their companies' quarterly and annual financial reports.

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    Re: UNC report finds 18 years of academic fraud to keep athletes playing

    To be a good student you need to spend hours studying the material and be in class.

    To be a great athlete, you have to spend hours practicing and working out.

    There are only so many hours in a day.

    Why realistically thought the athletes were studying to get the grades they actually got?

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    Re: UNC report finds 18 years of academic fraud to keep athletes playing

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    LOL !!

    UNC isn't the only school doing this by a long shot.

    Vince Young ( University of Texas ) scored a 6 on the Wonderlick Aptitude test.
    Do I believe this could be happening elsewhere? Sure. But show me a link to support it.
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    Re: UNC report finds 18 years of academic fraud to keep athletes playing

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    UNC athletics report finds 18 years of academic fraud - CNN.com

    If this doesn't get a death penalty, nothing else will. Unbelievable.

    From the article...
    It's all about the money, the NCAA has caused academics to fall behind sports in academia. Though that seems like a fundamental problem to me.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: UNC report finds 18 years of academic fraud to keep athletes playing

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    The funny part of this particular scandal is that the football team appears to have been involved. North Carolina football sucks and pretty much always has. If you're going to cheat at least get some hardware out of it before you get caught, sheesh.
    Yeah that's pretty funny in a sad sort of way. You have to believe Roy Williams is rather nervous right about now.
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    Re: UNC report finds 18 years of academic fraud to keep athletes playing

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Do I believe this could be happening elsewhere? Sure. But show me a link to support it.

    How did Vince Young come out of UT and score a 6 on the Wonderlick IQ test ?

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    Re: UNC report finds 18 years of academic fraud to keep athletes playing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's all about the money, the NCAA has caused academics to fall behind sports in academia. Though that seems like a fundamental problem to me.


    No, its about the academic quality of the students prior to being offered a scholarship.

    The College's are just part of the process they didn't create.

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    Re: UNC report finds 18 years of academic fraud to keep athletes playing

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    No, its about the academic quality of the students prior to being offered a scholarship.

    The College's are just part of the process they didn't create.
    It's proliferated through the system and the system moved to protect and proliferate it. The Universities making fake classes and trying to get idiot athletes through the system to maintain their funding and athletic competitiveness are part of the problem..
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: UNC report finds 18 years of academic fraud to keep athletes playing

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    No its deeper than that

    The College's and the Schools are just a part of the process that happens AFTER a kid has been raised by parents who don't give a **** about education in general.

    What would happen if College's around the Country started kicking a larger percentage of black athletes over whites out for not making the grade ?
    You think this could turn into a race-related ****storm?
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