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    Re: Jury: Ex-Blackwater contractors guilty in 'outrageous' Nusoor Square shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post

    Sounds like they killed people that shouldn't even have been shooting at. You can't just shoot random people because you think someone is shooting at you.
    Most people here would agree with this.
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    Re: Jury: Ex-Blackwater contractors guilty in 'outrageous' Nusoor Square shooting

    Since there seems to be some confusion as to what a mercenary is, here's the definition:

    2. A mercenary is any person who:

    (a) is specially recruited locally or abroad in order to fight in an armed conflict;

    (b) does, in fact, take a direct part in the hostilities;

    (c) is motivated to take part in the hostilities essentially by the desire for private gain and, in fact, is promised, by or on behalf of a Party to the conflict, material compensation substantially in excess of that promised or paid to combatants of similar ranks and functions in the armed forces of that Party;

    (d) is neither a national of a Party to the conflict nor a resident of territory controlled by a Party to the conflict;

    (e) is not a member of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict; and

    (f) has not been sent by a State which is not a Party to the conflict on official duty as a member of its armed forces.


    https://www.icrc.org/applic/ihl/ihl....2563CD0051DC30

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    Re: Jury: Ex-Blackwater contractors guilty in 'outrageous' Nusoor Square shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Four Blackwater guards found guilty in 2007 Iraq shootings of 31 unarmed civilians - The Washington Post

    Sounds like they killed people that shouldn't even have been shooting at. You can't just shoot random people because you think someone is shooting at you.
    I understand that. I heard the audio transmission during the event and read some of the presented evidence and it caused me to wonder about their guilt....

    Again, I was not there... maybe it's only my learned skepticism when criminal trials might have political consequences. I'm not taking sides, here. Just wondering.

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    Re: Jury: Ex-Blackwater contractors guilty in 'outrageous' Nusoor Square shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    You can't be serious. They're just mercenaries with a different name.
    See the post above

    Note portion "D"

    Yea, that's the hard part.

    I don't like them at all, but they have their uses.
    I don't see why it's so hard. We want very specialized jobs done by particular individuals who have a subject matter expertise that is not available from the regular Armed Forces, so we contract it out. For example, a lot of our notebooks and whatnot are made by a particular contractor who hires Blind Americans. I've always thought that was kind of cool, and it keeps us from having to make our own notebooks. We also have contractors who provide specialized logistical, engineering, or computing expertise.

    Military members are expected to be more Jack-of-all-Trades. When I was active duty, for example, I had to trade off the time and energy I devoted to my "job" with the time and energy I had to devote to doing "Marine Stuff". I had to learn leadership, mentoring, physical fitness, go through ridiculous amounts of mandatory annual, semi-annual, and quarterly training, conduct off-site training events (rifle ranges, swim qualifications, gas chamber qualifications, NCO course, SNCO course), etc. so on and so forth, and at the end of the day, the more I excelled at my job, the more likely I was to end up doing administration instead.

    Some jobs need dedicated specialists.

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    Re: Jury: Ex-Blackwater contractors guilty in 'outrageous' Nusoor Square shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    At least, when Americans murder women and children, there is an American judicial system that will make them pay for their heinous crimes. Let the title of "baby killers" rest with ISIS, who truly deserve the name. Americans hold themselves to a higher standard, and woe to those who violate it. Excellent verdict.

    Article is here.
    This sort of stuff happens when you use mercenaries....maybe we shouldnt be.
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    Re: Jury: Ex-Blackwater contractors guilty in 'outrageous' Nusoor Square shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    You think it was the jury's fault for no conviction?

    Seriously?
    "We gots enough black men's in prison already" Sound familiar?

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    Re: Jury: Ex-Blackwater contractors guilty in 'outrageous' Nusoor Square shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Contractors are a plague to the US, why we hire them for anything is beyond me.

    If they were so patriotic they would join the US military straight-up.
    Apparently you not only didn't read my post but have no idea what you are talking about.
    The vast majority of contractors have already served in the military with many having SOF experience. In fact most of the more combat related jobs combat arms military service is mandatory before you can be hired.

    But hey don't let the fact that you don't have any idea what you are talking about keep you from having an opinion on the topic

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    Re: Jury: Ex-Blackwater contractors guilty in 'outrageous' Nusoor Square shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    ...wait, are you seriously suggesting you never said "quick", "quick to assume" or "these blackwater guys" (the three words/phrases I "put quotes around")?

    Do you...do you know that this forum logs all your posts and there's a quote function, right?



    last I checked, you are "lifeisshort", yes? Then I didn't put quotes around words you never said.

    The above post is you accusing Dana of being "quick to assume" that the black water guys are murders, and asking if he's as "quick to assume" the cop in Fergeson is one as well.

    The assumption Dana was so "quick" came SEVEN years after the initial action, after a full investigation and an entire court case. That, apparently to you, is a "quick" assumption
    Now that I have taught you the proper use of quotation marks we can focus on the question mark and sentence structure.

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    Re: Jury: Ex-Blackwater contractors guilty in 'outrageous' Nusoor Square shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    You can't be serious. They're just mercenaries with a different name.



    Yea, that's the hard part.

    I don't like them at all, but they have their uses.

    Hard choices.
    International law says they're not mercenaries. So, yes, I'm serious.
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    Re: Jury: Ex-Blackwater contractors guilty in 'outrageous' Nusoor Square shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    "We gots enough black men's in prison already" Sound familiar?
    Mark Furhman sound familiar?

    I think Furhman (and crew) did more to get OJ off than anything.

    Di you have any issue with the evidence that was presented?

    I recall a few ex-jurors after the trial thinking it was likely that OJ did it, but not with the evidence and witnesses they were given.

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