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    Re: Jury: Ex-Blackwater contractors guilty in 'outrageous' Nusoor Square shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    It would be interesting to know the political leanings of the jury.
    I would like to see the evidence and find out how many of the jurors are combat veterans. It's supposed to be a jury of their peers, afterall.
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    Re: Jury: Ex-Blackwater contractors guilty in 'outrageous' Nusoor Square shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    So you were there and know this for a fact? Seems to me you had your mind made up when you first heard about this. I am reticent to believe these guys would do this but I am not privy to all the info the jury heard. If however they were like you and were anti Blackwater in particular and anti US being in Iraq from the start and liberal at heart then these guys didn't get a fair trial. That is why I would like the inside info on the jury.
    Do you have an understanding of how the jury selection process goes? If there were significantly "anti-blackwater" and "anti-US" then that's the fault of these gentleman's laywers doing a ****ty job in selecting the jury.

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    Re: Jury: Ex-Blackwater contractors guilty in 'outrageous' Nusoor Square shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    War has it's limits. Since you brought up Viet Nam, let me bring up Lt. Calley, who ordered the murder of unarmed women and children at My Lai. The military court marshalled his ass, and Calley was convicted. Here's the deal. War might be hell, but the American way is to punish those who commit atrocities and genocide against unarmed civilians. Lt. Calley was not fit to wear the uniform. By the same token, the mercenaries who committed the atrocities in Iraq had no business being over there, and thank god, they were not in uniform, representing the US military.

    BTW, why don't you now tell us all about how the political leanings of our soldiers who sat on the jury that convicted Lt. Calley affected his guilty verdict.

    Jeez............
    The military is subject to the UCMJ, because soldiers have a right to be judged by a jury of their peers. Civilians can't define where the line lies, nor when it has been crossed.

    There are examples in every war of excesses. The political climate of the period defines what is a war crime and what isn't, which is very wrong and unjust. That's why charging someone with murder, especially 1st degree murder, in a war is as stupid as handing out speeding tickets at The Daytona 500.
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    Re: Jury: Ex-Blackwater contractors guilty in 'outrageous' Nusoor Square shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    That black kid in Ferguson had no weapon either but as the facts come out it appears to be a good shooting. Are you as quick to assume the cop is a murderer as you are these Blackwater guys?
    You realize there is a GIGANTIC difference between a situation not even a year old that hasn't even reached the point of potentially going to trial.....and a multi-year old case that has been investigated and tried, right?

    If coming to a conclussion on in 2014 about something from SEVEN YEARS AGO is a "quick" decision to you then god help you if you ever decide to actually take your time thinking a situation over.

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    Re: Jury: Ex-Blackwater contractors guilty in 'outrageous' Nusoor Square shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    War has it's limits. Since you brought up Viet Nam, let me bring up Lt. Calley, who ordered the murder of unarmed women and children at My Lai. The military courtmarshalled his ass, and Calley was convicted. Here's the deal. War might be hell, but the American way is to punish those who commit atrocities and genocide against unarmed civilians. Lt. Calley was not fit to wear the uniform. By the same token, the mercenaries who committed the atrocities in Iraq had no business being over there, and thank god, they were not in uniform, representing the US military. They are a disgrace to everything that is decent about our country.

    BTW, why don't you now tell us all about how the political leanings of our soldiers who sat on the jury that convicted Lt. Calley were the reason for his guilty verdict.

    Jeez............
    As I said you had these Blackwater guys convicted in your mind from the beginning and your comparing them to the Lai massacre proves that. The Blackwater incident resembles that in no way because it was never proven or even alleged that orders were given ahead of time to massacre civilians. Now back to reality. In urban warfare with lots of civilians on scene there is bound to be civilian casualties if our troops come under attack and that in no way compares to Lai. The question I posed about the makeup of the jury is proven even more valid by your continued response to this subject and I hope the facts come out as they did in the OJ trial.

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    Re: Jury: Ex-Blackwater contractors guilty in 'outrageous' Nusoor Square shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You realize there is a GIGANTIC difference between a situation not even a year old that hasn't even reached the point of potentially going to trial.....and a multi-year old case that has been investigated and tried, right?

    If coming to a conclussion on in 2014 about something from SEVEN YEARS AGO is a "quick" decision to you then god help you if you ever decide to actually take your time thinking a situation over.
    Why did you put quotes around "quick" decision? If you feel the need to put words in my mouth to make your case then you have a weak case.


    If coming to a conclussion on in 2014 about something from SEVEN YEARS AGO is a "quick" decision to you then god help you if you ever decide to actually take your time thinking a situation over.

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    Re: Jury: Ex-Blackwater contractors guilty in 'outrageous' Nusoor Square shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I would like to see the evidence and find out how many of the jurors are combat veterans. It's supposed to be a jury of their peers, afterall.
    I'd like to know how many of the convicted Black Water guys are combat veterans.
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    Re: Jury: Ex-Blackwater contractors guilty in 'outrageous' Nusoor Square shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Do you have an understanding of how the jury selection process goes? If there were significantly "anti-blackwater" and "anti-US" then that's the fault of these gentleman's laywers doing a ****ty job in selecting the jury.
    Ever hear of the OJ trial? How did THAT jury get seated?

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    Re: Jury: Ex-Blackwater contractors guilty in 'outrageous' Nusoor Square shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by d0gbreath View Post
    I'd like to know how many of the convicted Black Water guys are combat veterans.
    Excellent question!

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    Re: Jury: Ex-Blackwater contractors guilty in 'outrageous' Nusoor Square shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    So you were there and know this for a fact? Seems to me you had your mind made up when you first heard about this. I am reticent to believe these guys would do this but I am not privy to all the info the jury heard. If however they were like you and were anti Blackwater in particular and anti US being in Iraq from the start and liberal at heart then these guys didn't get a fair trial. That is why I would like the inside info on the jury.
    You can be anti-mercenary (because that is what these morons are) and still be pro US being in Iraq.

    All those contractor companies were evil from the start, looking for profit, no loyalty whatsoever to the US. Let companies hire those crooks, not the military.

    Iraq for Sale: War Profiteers, watch it some time. There are some ex-mercenaries there giving their perspective on the ****tiness of the companies.
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