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Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say how

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bubbabgone said:
Ya know what's funny?
You don't require anything other than the claim from Liz to satisfy you.
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What "claim"? That she has been harassed? I don't doubt that she has ESPECIALLY in light of prominence in trying to become head of consumer credit which the male dominated RW was in near total opposition to.
There's another thread that linked to O'Keefe produced videos of Dem operatives agreeing to, counseling, and encouraging voter fraud and you should see all the posters calling him a liar.
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Are you seriously going to hold up the absolute fraud O'Keefe as a poster child of the innocent?

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
 
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JasperL said:
They're ALL suspects? Hilarious. Poor men, always the victims... :violin:
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She spoke towards the whole body of the senate, so yes, all the men in the senate are suspects.
 
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bubbabgone said:
Ya know what's funny?
You don't require anything other than the claim from Liz to satisfy you.
There's another thread that linked to O'Keefe produced videos of Dem operatives agreeing to, counseling, and encouraging voter fraud and you should see all the posters calling him a liar.
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Well, the claims that she's making should rock the political world. After all, who but everyone who has spent more than one day working on Capitol Hill would believe such scandalous charges - the Senate still has male chauvinists!! Oh please, tell me it isn't true!!!! :shock::eek:
 
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jmotivator said:
Addendum: Also, a woman should be able justify their "war on women" accusations against Republicans by recounting her demeaning, sexist treatment by fellow Congressman... without having to reveal that the demeaning, sexist treatment was by fellow Democrats..
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It is baffling, to say the least.

There's a war on women. It's apparently everywhere. It's even in the hallowed Halls of Congress! And the Republicans are the ones who declared a war on women! I'm a good Democratic woman...I'm going to say that men mistreat me, and pinch me, and shut me out, and make me feel like a second class citizen, even in my job as a US Senator. Of course, I'll only say it happens, but I won't back it up, or mention names, or even imply where and when this is happening. And you, good foot soldier, will believe me, and you will advance my political agenda of pandering to women who believe that men are at war with us!
 
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Henrin said:
Maybe that is an extreme example, so lets try another. Lets say a female employee of mine claims she was sexually harassed by some of my male employee, but fails to tell me anything more than that. At that point every man that works for me is a suspect of wrong doing and all because she failed to give me names.
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Yup.

And if she refuses to name any names, then the claim gets tossed into the circular file.
 
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Henrin said:
Maybe that is an extreme example, so lets try another. Lets say a female employee of mine claims she was sexually harassed by some of my male employee, but fails to tell me anything more than that. At that point every man that works for me is a suspect of wrong doing and all because she failed to give me names.
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Well, if Warren claimed sexual harassment, which is an actionable claim and could cause you as employer to lose lots of money if allowed to continue and that resulted in such a claim, you'd have a point.

The claim that an institution, almost exclusively dominated by men for centuries, retains elements of the good old boys club it has been for centuries, is not an actionable claim, even if proved beyond a shadow of a doubt.
 
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tres borrachos said:
It is baffling, to say the least.

There's a war on women. It's apparently everywhere. It's even in the hallowed Halls of Congress! And the Republicans are the ones who declared a war on women! I'm a good Democratic woman...I'm going to say that men mistreat me, and pinch me, and shut me out, and make me feel like a second class citizen, even in my job as a US Senator. Of course, I'll only say it happens, but I won't back it up, or mention names, or even imply where and when this is happening. And you, good foot soldier, will believe me, and you will advance my political agenda of pandering to women who believe that men are at war with us!
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I notice what's missing here is any actual quote of Warren making these shocking claims....

And of course many women, including my wife, would claim some middle ground between "men are at war with us" and "workplaces in America, and especially institutions like the Senate and every major institution of real power in America, treat women as equals in every way."

Seriously, is anyone actually surprised by what she says, or doubts for a second that the Senate in particular and Washington D.C. in general is still in many ways one of the holdouts for the good old boys club that has ruled the U.S. for centuries, at least in part? Just look at the rosters - the numbers speak for themselves...
 
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JasperL said:
I notice what's missing here is any actual quote of Warren making these shocking claims....

And of course many women, including my wife, would claim some middle ground between "men are at war with us" and "workplaces in America, and especially institutions like the Senate and every major institution of real power in America, treat women as equals in every way."
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Ah, so, Elizabeth Warren never made any claims about the Republicans and how they treat women. That's your contention?

By the way, those specific claims were made by Senator Gillibrand. Do you know anything about this topic?
 
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tres borrachos said:
Yup. And if she refuses to name any names, then the claim gets tossed into the circular file.
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What Warren may not have noticed is that men are often rude to other men, often behaving violently. And women often insult men and each other.

The difference is that adults know when they are being insulted or patronized but accept that it's a negative but commonplace part of human behavior, and politics is no exception to this behavior. No one is exempt from it.
 
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Grant said:
What Warren may not have noticed is that men are often rude to other men, often behaving violently. And women often insult men and each other.

The difference is that adults know when they are being insulted or patronized but accept that it's a negative but commonplace part of human behavior, and politics is no exception to this behavior. No one is exempt from it.
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A lot of women get whiny about it. Hell, it didn't offend me when I was young and pretty that men in my companies found me to be young and pretty. It also never offended me that men thought I was frailer than they are - I am. I'm not as strong as most men. I don't get offended when men think I don't know anything about sports - they love me even more when I shock them with what I know.

And to your point, men are rude to each other, and women are rude to each other. BFD. Sticks and stones, and all that. It's not the country's biggest problem, contrary to what some would have us believe.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Ah, so, Elizabeth Warren never made any claims about the Republicans and how they treat women. That's your contention?

By the way, those specific claims were made by Senator Gillibrand. Do you know anything about this topic?
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Still no quotes of Warren... Rough transcript by me:

Question: Have you had any similar experiences, of being treated differently because you're a woman by your colleagues in the Senate?
Warren: Yes.
Q: Can you elaborate?
W: Nope?
Q: I'm not asking you to name names...
W: I've said all I'm going to say.
Q: Surprising to you?
W: I wish it was, but it's hard to change these big, male dominated institutions. What I am very happy about is there are now enough women in the U.S. Senate to begin to change that place, and I jus think that's powerfully important.
Q: But if a US Senator is treated differently than her colleagues?
W:...if you don't have a seat at the table, you're probably on the menu... So it's important that we have women in the United States Senate, strong women, and women who are there to help advance an agenda important to women...

So I'm reading that and don't see any inflammatory claims about being pinched, etc. In fact, I can't see a thing she said that's remotely surprising or that isn't accepted by about 99% of the population as a 'no duh' kind of comment on the obvious.

At the end she hits the talking points, like every other politician in all of history, forever and ever, does in these kinds of things, but if that's the problem, let's just say this is a bash Warren thread and be done with it.
 
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JasperL said:
Still no quotes of Warren... Rough transcript by me:

Question: Have you had any similar experiences, of being treated differently because you're a woman by your colleagues in the Senate?
Warren: Yes.
Q: Can you elaborate?
W: Nope?
Q: I'm not asking you to name names...
W: I've said all I'm going to say.
Q: Surprising to you?
W: I wish it was, but it's hard to change these big, male dominated institutions. What I am very happy about is there are now enough women in the U.S. Senate to begin to change that place, and I jus think that's powerfully important.
Q: But if a US Senator is treated differently than her colleagues?
W:...if you don't have a seat at the table, you're probably on the menu... So it's important that we have women in the United States Senate, strong women, and women who are there to help advance an agenda important to women...

So I'm reading that and don't see any inflammatory claims about being pinched, etc. In fact, I can't see a thing she said that's remotely surprising or that isn't accepted by about 99% of the population as a 'no duh' kind of comment on the obvious.

At the end she hits the talking points, like every other politician in all of history, forever and ever, does in these kinds of things, but if that's the problem, let's just say this is a bash Warren thread and be done with it.
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Did the words "By the way, those specific claims were made by Senator Gillibrand." not make sense? Let me try it again.

The claims of specific actions by these terrible men in Congress - pinching, unwanted hugging, etc. - were made by - guess who? - Senator Gillibrand.

Now, if you can find a post from me where I said that Senator Warren made those specific claims, let me know.
 
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Grant said:
What Warren may not have noticed is that men are often rude to other men, often behaving violently. And women often insult men and each other.

The difference is that adults know when they are being insulted or patronized but accept that it's a negative but commonplace part of human behavior, and politics is no exception to this behavior. No one is exempt from it.
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That's all true, but what's the point. It's hard to believe anyone living in the 21st century can't grudgingly accept the obvious, that in a place like the Senate, and all the power structures around it, that women have a tougher row to hoe than men, for reasons that go back hundreds of years of male domination of every position of real power in the U.S. Admitting the obvious is hardly something extraordinary.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Did the words "By the way, those specific claims were made by Senator Gillibrand." not make sense? Let me try it again.

The claims of specific actions by these terrible men in Congress - pinching, unwanted hugging, etc. - were made by - guess who? - Senator Gillibrand.

Now, if you can find a post from me where I said that Senator Warren made those specific claims, let me know.
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You made two statements. 1) "Ah, so, Elizabeth Warren never made any claims about the Republicans and how they treat women. That's your contention?"

And so since you quoted her making no claims, and this was a thread about her interview on CNN, I typed out a rough transcript. Republicans not mentioned. Perhaps you meant in some other interview or speech that you haven't quoted?

And on the post I quoted from, it might have avoided some confusion if, when you mentioned those claims in a thread about Sen. Warren, you said that you weren't referring to Warren, but to your unique summary of claims made by Gillibrand. I don't recall reading or hearing either woman say there was a "war on women...even in the hallowed halls of Congress" but maybe she wrote that or said it in an interview. Maybe Gillibrand also said the Senators "mistreat" her and "shut [her] out" but I don't recall that either. If you'd summarized claims actually made by Gillibrand, that would have helped as well. In fact, she said about most of the comments about her being fat, and getting told "I like my girls chubby" that they were by old men, relics from the stone age (my own summary) who didn't know better, which is different altogether than claiming a 'war on women' by Senators who "mistreat' me and 'shut me out.'

But, OK, I was confused. You weren't referring in any way to or about Warren!

Now what part of what Warren actually said - the point of this thread - is troubling, etc.?
 
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tres borrachos said:
Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say how

Sen. Elizabeth Warren says she has been treated differently as a woman in Congress.

But unlike Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, who opened up about her experience with sexism on Capitol Hill in a recent book, Warren — the first woman ever elected to the U.S. Senate from Massachusetts — won't elaborate.

In an interview with CNN scheduled to air Wednesday, Warren was asked whether she had experienced treatment similar to what Gillibrand described.

"Yes," Warren said.

Would she care to elaborate?

"Nope," she said. "I've said all I'm going to say."

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First off, she looks nuts in that picture.

Second, she (and her Democratic counterparts in DC) push female citizens to fight against treatment like this, at the risk of alienating their bosses and co-workers, etc. But Senator Warren doesn't want to name names? Doesn't want to provide specifics? Doesn't want to fight it?

What am I missing here?
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Maybe it's because she's a blond native-american...
 
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JasperL said:
You made two statements. 1) "Ah, so, Elizabeth Warren never made any claims about the Republicans and how they treat women. That's your contention?"

And so since you quoted her making no claims, and this was a thread about her interview on CNN, I typed out a rough transcript. Republicans not mentioned. Perhaps you meant in some other interview or speech that you haven't quoted?

And on the post I quoted from, it might have avoided some confusion if, when you mentioned those claims in a thread about Sen. Warren, you said that you weren't referring to Warren, but to your unique summary of claims made by Gillibrand. I don't recall reading or hearing either woman say there was a "war on women...even in the hallowed halls of Congress" but maybe she wrote that or said it in an interview. Maybe Gillibrand also said the Senators "mistreat" her and "shut [her] out" but I don't recall that either. If you'd summarized claims actually made by Gillibrand, that would have helped as well. In fact, she said about most of the comments about her being fat, and getting told "I like my girls chubby" that they were by old men, relics from the stone age (my own summary) who didn't know better, which is different altogether than claiming a 'war on women' by Senators who "mistreat' me and 'shut me out.'

But, OK, I was confused. You weren't referring in any way to or about Warren!

Now what part of what Warren actually said - the point of this thread - is troubling, etc.?
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1. Elizabeth Warren has claimed that Republicans are "on the attack" against women. That has nothing - zero - to do with this thread or the interview with CNN.

2. You may want to read up on what Senator Gilibrand has claimed - and what was referenced in the interview with Senator Warren - if you want your posts in this thread to make any sense at all. It appears you don't know anything about the subject you're posting on.

3. Warren says she experienced the same things as Senator Gilibrand. When asked to provide names or more details, she declined to do so. I'm not the only person in the world who finds that troubling. Even the conservative media powerhouse known as MSNBC was discussing it at 6:30 am ET.
 
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tres borrachos said:
1. Elizabeth Warren has claimed that Republicans are "on the attack" against women. That has nothing - zero - to do with this thread or the interview with CNN.
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So why did you make this statement: "Ah, so, Elizabeth Warren never made any claims about the Republicans and how they treat women. That's your contention?" Made no sense to me either...

2. You may want to read up on what Senator Gilibrand has claimed - and what was referenced in the interview with Senator Warren - if you want your posts in this thread to make any sense at all. It appears you don't know anything about the subject you're posting on.
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I provided a transcript of the interview. Just point out what Warren actually said that you have a problem with. As far as I can tell, the inflammatory claim was she was treated differently by her Senator colleagues because she was a woman!!! :shock:

BTW I also pointed out that your summary of Gillibrand's charges were pretty..uhh... inventive.

3. Warren says she experienced the same things as Senator Gilibrand. When asked to provide names or more details, she declined to do so. I'm not the only person in the world who finds that troubling. Even the conservative media powerhouse known as MSNBC was discussing it at 6:30 am ET.
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She didn't say that, actually. She answered "Yes" to a statement (paraphrased, your colleague wrote a book, told some stories about they guys in the Senate) followed by this:

Question: "Have you had any similar experiences, of being treated differently because you're a woman by your colleagues in the Senate?"
Warren: Yes.
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Troubling!!! :doh
 
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JasperL said:
So why did you make this statement: "Ah, so, Elizabeth Warren never made any claims about the Republicans and how they treat women. That's your contention?" Made no sense to me either...



I provided a transcript of the interview. Just point out what Warran actually said that you have a problem with. As far as I can tell, the inflammatory claim was she was treated differently by her Senator colleagues because she was a woman!!! :shock:



She didn't say that, actually. She answered "Yes" to a statement (paraphrased, your colleague wrote a book, told some stories about they guys in the Senate) followed by this



Troubling!!! :doh
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1. So you admit Warren has claimed there is a Republican war on women? Good.

2. It's what Warren didn't say that was troubling.

3. Yes, I know...you like Warren. I get that. You have no issue here. So we don't agree. Then you don't need to worry about any of this. Right?
 
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Let me dumb down my IQ by about 100 points so I can join this sack of **** thread. Here goes:

Lyaweitha Pocohontas lyin teepee injin crazy bitch!11!!!!11!
 
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Middleground said:
Let me dumb down my IQ by about 100 points so I can join this sack of **** thread. Here goes:

Lyaweitha Pocohontas lyin teepee injin crazy bitch!11!!!!11!
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Excuse me?

I made this thread. I copied the headline & story from Yahoo after seeing this very issue discussed on MSNBC this morning. My thread had nothing to do with teepees and Indians. Was your post necessary?
 
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tres borrachos said:
1. So you admit Warren has claimed there is a Republican war on women? Good.
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I haven't made a claim one way or the other on that statement, "That has nothing - zero - to do with this thread or the interview with CNN."

2. It's what Warren didn't say that was troubling.
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Well, sure, because as I said you think the only two appropriate responses to that question, to which she answered "Yes" were to 1) Lie, and say, "No" or 2) scorched earth on her Senate colleagues, naming names, dates, times, and particulars!! And I presume it's because she made the scandalous claim that her Senate colleagues treated her DIFFERENTLY because she was a woman. I mean, anyone who makes those bold claims MUST as a matter of common decency back that up with specifics!!!

3. Yes, I know...you like Warren. I get that. You have no issue here. So we don't agree. Then you don't need to worry about any of this. Right?
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I do, she's far better than most in D.C. in my view because at least occasionally she is at least pointing to some real problems, among them the corrupt financial system in this country. Right wingers don't like her, which is fine because I can't stand Ted Cruz, among others in the GOP. But that's not really the point here - I'm just having a good time with the right wingers making a big deal out of nothing.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Excuse me?

I made this thread. I copied the headline & story from Yahoo after seeing this very issue discussed on MSNBC this morning. My thread had nothing to do with teepees and Indians. Was your post necessary?
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I lost more brain cells reading this piece of crap thread that I would have smoking all the weed in Jamaica.
 
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JasperL said:
I haven't made a claim one way or the other on that statement, "That has nothing - zero - to do with this thread or the interview with CNN."



Well, sure, because as I said you think the only two appropriate responses to that question, to which she answered "Yes" were to 1) Lie, and say, "No" or 2) scorched earth on her Senate colleagues, naming names, dates, times, and particulars!! And I presume it's because she made the scandalous claim that her Senate colleagues treated her DIFFERENTLY because she was a woman. I mean, anyone who makes those bold claims MUST as a matter of common decency back that up with specifics!!!



I do, she's far better than most in D.C. in my view because at least occasionally she is at least pointing to some real problems, among them the corrupt financial system in this country. Right wingers don't like her, which is fine because I can't stand Ted Cruz, among others in the GOP. But that's not really the point here - I'm just having a good time with the right wingers making a big deal out of nothing.
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I'll say it one more time. I'll even give the group on MSNBC credit for saying it first today - if she and Gillibrand are going to make the claim, then they either need to name names, or be prepared to 1) be called liars, 2) have people make the assumption that the men in question are of their own party which is why they are not naming names, or 2) assume this is a political ploy.
 
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